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Initial post: 23 Oct 2011 12:53:51 BDT
Ultrarunner says:
The rules of engagement are these,no name calling, insults,nah,nah you are right, no I am. I want to see everyone involved Christians, are especially welcome, although I am a Pantheist, Islamic peoples, critical thinkers,pardon me,I forgot rational thinkers. I want an honest debate of ideas. On my forum you can go off the subject and write about your old mum. I want friendship and decency to prevail. Reincarnation, means rebirth of the human soul, life time after life time. I could not care if you believe in it, I want to know really what you think. No smart alex remarks either. This a forum we need to have. No attacking christians either, who are notable for their absence. I know more about it then most of you anyway, and I am not one. Scientific quantium theories are especially welcome. Now go to it and chat. On to the breach dear friends........

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Oct 2011 13:20:03 BDT
Drew Jones says:
I can't say I accept reincarnation in any meaningful way. I accept that the matter and energy that are currently maintain 'me' can not be destroyed and will continue in other forms but the 'me' conciousness element seems highly reliant on and impacted by the physical matter and energy and so it follows that when they leave me the 'me' will dissolve with them. Sentimentally, I don't like the idea as it stands but it seems I will return to the state I was before the matter and energy came together to form me and things will continue without the me that I am.

To change my position on this I would need a new hypothysise on what the matter and energy that forms the physical body is contributing here. Without a mechanism like we currently have for the me to continue I can not accept reincarnation or any form of continued personal conciousness after death. If such a thing was possible and a credible hypothysise was established it would have to account for the physical body all over again as it would then appear to be an unnecessacery restriction on the existence of consciousness.

Posted on 23 Oct 2011 13:39:32 BDT
Ultrarunner says:
I will quote from Ninian Smart ,"The world religions"on Hinduism. "Pervasive is the theme of rebirth or reincarnation. Each individual being traverses virtually endless time through many,many lives. The person's destiny is shaped by the deeds she or he has performed both before and in this life. This law of Karma (action) binds living beings to the round of existence or samsara. The desire to leave samsara,or at least to overcome its cloying effects, calls for great efforts, which eventually may yield liberation or Moksa when the individual leaves samsara,or at least overcomes it by superior insight into the nature of the world. Such liberation is often called nirvana in the Buddhist traditions, and is refered to as kevala or isolation in the Jain tradition.

God as creator is also implicated in the processes of samsara, but he or she(or it) is often conceived as lying beyond all description. The unspeakable Brahman lies beyond even god as she appears as a person. (I am not sure about this UR). So, in some philosophies there is that higher side of the Divine which has a correspondence with the inner side of the soul, the eternal atman or self which lies within every individual. By turning inwards and practicing meditation a person may come to experience that inner eternal self and at the same time achieve unity with the one Divine Being, Brahman.However many forms of belief in India have not accepted the idea of God,and so in them liberation is not communication with God but a lonely disappearance from the round of rebirth."(pgs 47-48). Buddha's ideas were different to Hinduism, he thought we could reach Nirvana. I am the raft, the rest is up to you.The views are westernized by Ninian Smart, who was a highly regarded comparative religion academic.

Posted on 23 Oct 2011 14:28:27 BDT
DB says:
For me, reincarnation goes against reason.
Buddhists hindus etc, believe that we become 'enlightened' through many reincarnations, but how can this be if we are unable to recall our past lives?
I know that a handful of people say they can, but these are not proven, and easily explained.

If reincarnation were true, we would have billions of people giving clear evidence of remembering previous lives.

We can't learn or become 'enlightened' from experiences that we can't remember.

If we have all been learning from past lives, you would expect that humanity would be steadily improving over time as it becomes 'enlightened'. However, humanity has been around for thousands of years and there is still wickedness and stupidity.

Looks like we don't learn from past lives. Or, more likely, we don't have past lives.

Posted on 23 Oct 2011 14:56:35 BDT
Ultrarunner says:
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Posted on 23 Oct 2011 15:17:58 BDT
Obelix says:
"Who is to say if any of us right, we all may be wrong. "

Hence the importance of 'study' and 'evidence'. Since no one has proved reincarnation is a fact, the conclusion to be drawn is that it's just one more piece of wishful thinking to cope with the unknown.

"I have invited the rationalists onto this forum. As LBJ once famous put it,it is better to have them pissing out the tent then in it.Or is it the other way around.?"

If you can't get a simple quote right, the discussion's going to last longer than War and Peace - the Semaphore Version. Bring something concrete, and you'll be creating a discussion, rather than merely hankering after one.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Oct 2011 15:22:54 BDT
G. Stevens says:
Ultrarunner says:
Reincarnation, means rebirth of the human soul, life time after life time.
So as a first step we need some definition of 'soul' and some evidence that a thing that fits that definition actually exists. It may be that reincarnation is part of the evidence for a soul but we still need to establish what a soul it.
We also need, when responses are given, proper references to evidence. Just saying 'some scientists have found evidence' is not nearly enough, at the very least a web address to an article or data is required. References to the beliefs of cults, cultures and religions, including their philosophies, is not evidence of reincarnation, it is evidence of belief in reincarnation.

As far as I'm aware there is no evidence for reincarnation and the whole idea, while as comforting as the idea of heaven, has no substance.

Do you have a link to the 'number of scientists' who have collected data on the small children?

I know more about it then most of you anyway

Can I refer you to the first line of this post? You want this to be open with no name calling but withing your first post you make a claim that is designed to be derogatory. It has not been established by your history of posting that you know more about Xtianity than most of the posters on this forum. Best to avoid claims like that if you are looking for an 'honest debate of ideas'.

No smart alex remarks either.
Would it be a 'smart alex'[sic] remark to point out that it's actually 'smart alec'?
Once more unto the breach.

Posted on 23 Oct 2011 17:41:02 BDT
Equinox says:

I think it all depends on whether you think animals are conscious beings and whether it is possible for our essence to pass from one body to another. I don't believe that we have an essence, we are the some of our parts, we don't really exist, although we do know that we are alive.

I wonder if animals know they are alive, i'm not so sure. I think our capacity to reflect on our action creates the illusion of objective existence when really we only exist when we reflect. Existence is perhaps a human idea.

Posted on 23 Oct 2011 21:23:20 BDT
I believe reincarnation cannot be real as we would have the exact same number of people all the time or if it is extended to animals it would also mean we have the exact same number of animals and humans

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Oct 2011 21:36:55 BDT
G. Stevens says:
MMR says:
I believe reincarnation cannot be real as we would have the exact same number of people all the time

Not necessarily. Nothing about reincarnation denies the possibility of new souls coming into being or existing souls ceasing to exist or failing to inhabit a new body. In fact I believe that most reincarnation belief systems include a transcendant element where the soul is eventually elevated to a higher plane and exits the cycle. Without new souls entering the system the total number of people would fall, eventually to zero.

There is just simply no evidence to suggest that reincarnation happens or that souls exist.

Posted on 23 Oct 2011 21:46:42 BDT
Hello G. Stevens

In this system, do you know how a new soul is supposed to be created, or how they cease to exist?

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Oct 2011 21:57:36 BDT
G. Stevens says:
MMR says:

In this system, do you know how a new soul is supposed to be created, or how they cease to exist?

No idea.
I guess they coalesce out of the great oneness or somesuch nonsense.
Maybe there is an infinite number just waiting to take their place in a new born body, I'm sure there are a huge number of explanations attached to each belief system. The religions that don't believe in reincarnation are happy to have a god create new souls all over the place, I'm sure those which do believe have a handy soul factory too.
Google will probably have various explanations.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Oct 2011 22:14:56 BDT
Spin says:
Ultra: The concept of "reincarnation" cannot be understood by anyone caught in the reasoning based on "cause and effect". One must alter ones conception of the self, the world and the universe in order to understand the concept of reincarnation. To those posting on these threads, it simply means "being born again into a different life. Being dead, then being alive. But this is a western, abrahamic monotheistic view of life and death, cause and effect. One must abandon all ones related thoughts to understand the concept. There is no point in asking about reincarnation if one believes in a "soul" that goes to heaven, or if one believes that when one dies one is as dead as an overdosed celebrity. "Reincarnation" is not a concept concerned with what happens AFTER you die, but with what you believe and how you act NOW. =)

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Oct 2011 23:00:30 BDT
Post Soviet says:
Righto, Spin, it shouldn't serve as an excuse like:
- Oh, I owe you three grands, don't worry, I'll sort it in my next life. I promise. '0)
My Master(our system admits reincarnation) emphasizes, it really shouldn't affect your present life's actions - live as if it's your last one.
And do whatever needs to make it last one(to stop samsara cycle).

Posted on 23 Oct 2011 23:07:59 BDT
Bookworm says:
I do believe in reincarnation but I don't know it exists. Knowing is something unshakable but believing is like a wish. None of us can know until we die, but believing in reincarnation makes sense of my life, gives me peace about the circumstances I can't change and make me unafraid of death. I don't see any harm in that and I don't mind if no one else believes with me as belief is a personal thing. I think the Dali Lama said that If there are 100 billion people on the planet then there should be 100 billion religions. Everyone has their own personal take on spirituality. I think religion is man made but spirituality comes from within. My inner voice has told me that I've met people before even though I haven't. The only explanation that makes sense to me is that we've known each other before in a past existance. This also explains why people know places they've never been to before and can describe them before they get there, or have an aptitude for a foreign language. It also takes the pressure off trying to get everything packed into one lifetime as I can do some of it next time!

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Last edited by the author on 23 Oct 2011 23:18:30 BDT
Spin says:
Post: Sorry, but I do not understand what you are saying. Sorry, is that meant as sarcasm or genuine agreement? =)

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Oct 2011 23:20:11 BDT
Post Soviet says:
Hi Bookworm,
My wife used to practise transcedental meditation, which let her see some of her previous incarnations, she says this one is her first one in a woman's body. She isn't practising this anymore after experiencing cutting her hand and bringing somehow long lasting pain into present life.

Make it short, what for someone is evidence, for another nothing will be enough.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Oct 2011 23:22:45 BDT
Last edited by the author on 23 Oct 2011 23:24:25 BDT
Post Soviet says:
No Spin, I have read enough literature on Buddhism to be sarcastic about these things. Some joke occasionally - yes.

PS. My English is clumsy too.

Posted on 23 Oct 2011 23:23:19 BDT
Spin says:
My wife practiced Trancendental meditation. But she left me...

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Oct 2011 23:25:25 BDT
Post Soviet says:
Another reason not to practise it. '0)

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Oct 2011 23:28:45 BDT
Spin says:
Post: It 's hard to distinguish sarcasm and agreement in the written word, especially on these threads! =) (Thank the Sustainer for the invention of the smiley face, eh?) =) and +) (give me a bourbon and it will be =-)

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Post, how sweet you are.

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