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Is Belief in God Like False Memories, Neurologically Speaking?


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Initial post: 26 Jul 2013 14:52:03 BDT
Henry James says:
The article below from Science Daily details how false memories resemble memories of real events. Is this a similar process to the experience of people who are *convinced beyond a doubt* that they have an authentic experience of God? Think we will find out more as we go along?

(Article) Neuroscientists Plant False Memories in Mice: Location Where Brain Stores Memory Traces, Both False and Authentic, Pinpointed
July 25, 2013 - The phenomenon of false memory has been well-documented: In many court cases, defendants have been found guilty based on testimony from witnesses and victims who were sure of their recollections, but DNA evidence later overturned the conviction.
In a step toward understanding how these faulty memories arise, MIT neuroscientists have shown that they can plant false memories in the brains of mice. They also found that many of the neurological traces of these memories are identical in nature to those of authentic memories.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/07/130725141711.htm

Posted on 26 Jul 2013 16:30:53 BDT
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Posted on 26 Jul 2013 16:59:49 BDT
Spin says:
Another achievement of secular society; make sentient creatures remember what you want them to remember...Control not only the bodies of the population, but the mind as well... And some folk think science-fiction stories are nonsense...

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Jul 2013 17:02:23 BDT
Kleist says:
If memory is like this how do we come to the conclusion that it is about the past?

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Jul 2013 17:08:14 BDT
Spin says:
Anthony: What? How can one remember what has not yet happened?

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Jul 2013 17:16:13 BDT
Kleist says:
I didn't think you could. I don't think the idea even makes sense.

I therefore thought that the notion of memory was connected to the notion of what took place. The whole point of calling this 'false memory' is because it didn't take place. As I understand it this is the crucial difference from real or true memory.

But if we disconnect memory from actual events in the past, by locating them as wholly internal to the 'subject' (brain), then why did we make any such connection in the first place?

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Jul 2013 17:23:48 BDT
Spin says:
Anthony: I consider the claim that one can implant "false" memories in a creatures mind to be no more than the claim that one can make a creature react to certain stimuli. The only way to know if a mouse has a false memory is to ask it and get a reply as to what it remembers and see if it contradicts the its experiences as observed by you.

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Jul 2013 17:33:00 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 26 Jul 2013 17:49:32 BDT
Kleist says:
I confess I haven't had time to read it all yet, my question was very general.

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Jul 2013 17:51:15 BDT
Spin says:
Anthony: Don't worry. I'm sure the mice have a few questions as well. =)

Posted on 26 Jul 2013 18:21:27 BDT
Kleist says:
Has anybody read Flowers For Algernon (S.F. MASTERWORKS)?

I read it recently and it came to mind. I'm not sure it's entirely relevant, but it features a mouse and is an extraordinary book. It also involves the question of the possibilities of neuroscience, though in intelligence rather than memory, and transcends the SF genre.

Posted on 26 Jul 2013 18:25:35 BDT
Spin says:
A belief in the value of fictional works leads only to conflict. Representation is not reality.

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Jul 2013 18:38:32 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 26 Jul 2013 18:51:05 BDT
Kleist says:
There is another film version: Charly [1968] [DVD], I haven't seen either. But I think I will.

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Jul 2013 19:15:02 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 26 Jul 2013 19:16:43 BDT
Kleist says:
Thanks Bellatori.

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Jul 2013 19:32:43 BDT
Spin says:
Anthony: Aah! Nirvana! =)

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Jul 2013 21:56:06 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 26 Jul 2013 23:01:20 BDT
Henry James says:
If there is no Past,
where do I live?

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Jul 2013 23:05:22 BDT
Anita says:
In my heart :)

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Jul 2013 23:14:11 BDT
Kleist says:
In my nightmares. :)

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Jul 2013 23:17:08 BDT
Anita says:
Are you dreaming of my heart, Anthony? In nightmares???

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Jul 2013 23:22:36 BDT
Kleist says:
Anita:
'But when I sleep, in dreams they look on thee,
And darkly bright, are bright in dark directed.'

'Through heavy sleep on sightless eyes doth stay!
All days are nights to see till I see thee,
And nights bright days when dreams do show thee me.'

Posted on 26 Jul 2013 23:29:53 BDT
Spin says:
and what, exactly, precisely, is a "false memory" ?

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Jul 2013 01:51:26 BDT
Henry James says:
Tony
Don't U B stealin my girl!!!
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