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How Can Anyone be so Stupid as to Take the Bible Literally?


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Initial post: 21 Mar 2013 21:42:44 GMT
Henry James says:
I know that none of you Brits do.
But, the Bible is so "literally unbelievable" in so many hundreds of ways that I am still stunned by "some people's" ability to take it literally (again, largely in my own native USA).
I was a Psych major, so I know all about conditioning and brainwashing and all that. Does that explain it for you?

Posted on 21 Mar 2013 21:48:52 GMT
Last edited by the author on 21 Mar 2013 21:49:54 GMT
T. Green says:
"How Can Anyone be so Stupid as to Take the Bible Literally?"

You know im not sure how many do it could be only a very few, there are stupid people in all walks of life religion has no monopoly on this at all.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Mar 2013 21:50:57 GMT
Henry James says:
Agreed that "religion has no monopoly on this" (duh!)
but religion is what we are discussing here.

In America, a majority believe the earth is 6,000 year old, and the same disbelieve evolution.

Very FEW? you say???

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Mar 2013 21:53:17 GMT
T. Green says:
Perhaps so, but out of how many that are religious? This could be a smaller percent than you think it is, this is my point.

Posted on 21 Mar 2013 21:53:44 GMT
A fact that makes me grateful I don't have to live there. All very ironic, since, unlike here, America has a seperation between Church and State, and no official state religion.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Mar 2013 21:55:31 GMT
Henry James says:
Mr Green - You are NOT demonstrating whatever intelligence you *might* have.
92% of American's believe in God. 60% do NOT believe in evolution. Would you like me to do the math for you, or do you own a calculator?

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Mar 2013 21:57:01 GMT
Last edited by the author on 21 Mar 2013 21:57:35 GMT
T. Green says:
Im British i dont need one, unless i run out of fingers.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Mar 2013 21:58:11 GMT
Henry James says:
Good point, Ryan.
Many opine that, in countries where there is a state religion, people get bored with it and hence become apathetic to the concept of "God."
In America, we have vigorous competition for your Religious Donation dollar. The good old capitalist incentive system at work.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Mar 2013 21:58:53 GMT
Archibald F says:
Hi Henry

Well certainly I'd agree with you, especially as some of it is clearly not intended to be taken literally, such as imagery in Daniel and Revelation.

The real challenge is in interpreting it, and I guess this is where most controversy comes from. I suppose we will take some of it too literally, or/and some not literally enough. And wherever we stand, we will think those on either side of it are wrong. So it's good to try to remember to be humble and gracious, knowing that despite our utter confidence in ourselves, we probably haven't got it completely right!!!

Posted on 21 Mar 2013 21:59:54 GMT
I'm well aware of that - after all, I have lived there.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Mar 2013 22:09:15 GMT
Henry James says:
Put like a gentleman, Archibald. Something that, as you Brits can understand, we Americans have little appreciation for.... :-)

However....

The bible would have us believe that the sun revolves around the earth.

Would you advise me to be tolerant of that belief? (I have hundreds more like it)

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Mar 2013 22:10:12 GMT
Spin says:
Henry: Yes. You yourself are "conditioned". If you disregard your attempt at scientific verification and read the Bible as a record of cultural history, or even as an exprssion of social psychology, (much of which is present today) you may gain a new appreciation of it.

Posted on 21 Mar 2013 22:13:15 GMT
Henry James says:
Oh my goodness, Spin, I have enormous appreciation for the Bible as a record of cultural history and as an "exprssion" of social psychology. I read the Bible in University and got a lot out of it. And I'll bet I can match you in knowledge of Bible Stories. I am America's greatest dead novelist, you know.

I just am noting that you can not take it literally, as a majority of my countrymen do.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Mar 2013 22:16:50 GMT
Archibald F says:
"In America, a majority believe the earth is 6,000 year old, and the same disbelieve evolution."

Yes, but in Britain, maybe we are suckers for whatever 'science' tells us. The BBC ran a series called 'Walking with Dinosaurs' a few years ago using CGI to show what happened millions of years ago. It was laughable really, like "3 million years ago last Thursday, a Sometingorothersaurus sat in this spot and did something or other to Someothertypeofsaurus! Apparently scientific drivel presented in a totally authorative tone!

I know it's akin to heresy to say it on this forum, but in all honesty, I'm not actually that convinced on current theories on evolution. I also hate it when theories are presented as facts.

Posted on 21 Mar 2013 22:19:00 GMT
T. Green says:
"As a majority of my countrymen do" so just America then? Last time I looked religion was worldwide perhaps your "statistics" (which can prove anything I might add, and prove nothing) have not taken this into account. Or perhaps you know these ones too?

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Mar 2013 22:19:34 GMT
C. A. Small says:
Henry - when you get used to Spin's musings you will realise he just posts bollox, and then you put him on ignore like most of the rest of us do.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Mar 2013 22:20:49 GMT
C. A. Small says:
Archiballs "I'm not actually that convinced on current theories on evolution" really? and why not?

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Mar 2013 22:21:15 GMT
Spin says:
Henry: And what is it you cannot take "literally"? Miracles, Virgin births, Ressurection? I think it is the "Belief" you object to, not the "Bible".

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Mar 2013 22:22:22 GMT
Archibald F says:
Thanks Henry.
"The bible would have us believe that the sun revolves around the earth." Well not really. We all talk about sunrise and sunset still, even though the sun neither rises or falls, but it's a description of our perspective view. So it's not surprising people writing the Bible would use similar terminology. Does anyone, even in th US still believe the sun revolves around us? Actually, come to think of it, I know a few people here in the UK who believe the whole world revolves around them!

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Mar 2013 22:23:31 GMT
Henry James says:
Archie opines
"I also hate it when theories are presented as facts."
Arch - I suspect that you are smart enough to understand the scientific method. Scientific theories are ALWAYS subject to modification when new evidence emerges.
UNLIKE religious dogma.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Mar 2013 22:25:47 GMT
Henry James says:
Green
You are a VERY bad reader, and logician.
The fact that "religion is worldwide" (except, say, in Japan or France) would have no bearing on whether or not America was religious.
Open your "mind". Realize that you know little.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Mar 2013 22:26:37 GMT
Henry James says:
Thanks Small
I kinda suspected that, but, being new, I appreciate the intelligence.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Mar 2013 22:27:30 GMT
Archibald F says:
Do I need a reason to not be convinced? If I make a claim to you, surely the onus is on me to convince you, not on you to think of reasons why you should not believe me. I'm just not convinced, that's all. But if you are convinced, well good for you. You have more faith in scientific theory than I do.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Mar 2013 22:31:08 GMT
Henry James says:
Arch - re your "convincedness" on Evolution:
you are to be cheered for questioning.
How much have you read about it? Whose "opinions" are you relying on?

If you know lots about the evidence and still are unconvinced, bully for you.

If you don't know much, you are prone to be included in the "know-nothing" category.

I suspect from your evident intelligence that you know a fair amount. Have you read Dawkins' "The Greatest Show on Earth" and been able to formulate your counterarguments?

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Mar 2013 22:37:12 GMT
T. Green says:
I don't think so, and if you came to just insult then realise this is a pointless discussion that you started.

Realize that you know little indeed.

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."
Aristotle, Metaphysics

"Any fool can know. The point is to understand."
Albert Einstein
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