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Initial post: 15 Jun 2012 15:30:13 BDT
Last edited by the author on 15 Jun 2012 15:31:08 BDT
Valley Lad says:
When I was a Kid, I was forced to fully follow my Parents Church, It was hell, and put me off religion completely for 40 years after I quit home at 15.
Most of the problems was because there church was "Extreme", No Radio, [we had no TV], Books, normal music, No Saturday sports, caused a lot of misery, Should parents be stopped from forcing there kids into this religious nightmare ?.
Oh yes, my parents church was "Seventh Day Adventist" AVOID !

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Jun 2012 15:58:48 BDT
Jim Guest says:
There are not too many parents today who can force their children to do very much at age 15, or even younger.

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Jun 2012 16:05:59 BDT
richard says:
parental rights are a tricky subject at the best of times. if parents believe that unless their child has accepted god and lived according to his wishes/demands that they condemn their souls to torment or are denied heaven then how can they risk them not dying before they are adults and able to make the choice for themselves. as parents they take on responsibility for the spiritual welfare of their children and do what they think best. how can a government stop this without stating that god does not exist and the children in no danger of going to hell etc?

i think it's a case of not being able to do anything about the extremists due to the opposition of the mainstream.

religious freedom! i take it you did not enjoy yours!

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Jun 2012 16:06:32 BDT
Tom M says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 15 Jun 2012 16:08:48 BDT
Spin says:
Valley: So it is not religion or attending church you object to, but your parents interpretation of that religion...You question should be " Is the austerity and lifestyle demands placed on children by religious parents a form of abuse?"

Posted on 15 Jun 2012 16:25:34 BDT
"There" indicates place.
For example: I saw her standing over there.

"Their" is the possessive form of they (in other words it shows that they own something).
For example: their children.

"They're" is an abreviation of "they are"
For example: they're religous bigots.

/pedant mode off

Posted on 15 Jun 2012 16:33:00 BDT
Tom M says:
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Posted on 15 Jun 2012 17:12:00 BDT
Jim Guest says:
Coercion is of course a sign of failure. It is quite the reverse of the Christian practice, which is to thoroughly test prospective members both theologically and personally before admission.

The SDA is one of the cults, along with Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses and more, that arose when the original 'big cult', the RCC, lost much credibility in the face of modernism, democracy and Protestantism- to which they are all ultimately opposed. The aim is the same- justification by works, dressed up as Christianity. The RCC would never have existed but for coercion, and the coercive principle remains in these 'offshoots', also.

Posted on 15 Jun 2012 19:16:23 BDT
Last edited by the author on 15 Jun 2012 19:46:52 BDT
gille liath says:
Slightly loaded way of putting the question.

Parents should show *their* kids the best way to live, according to their own lights. Obviously that will include their religion; if the parent doesn't believe in it enough to pass it on, they're not really following it. But it should not be passed on in such a way that dropping it later on - if the kid wishes to - will give him or her a complex.

NB Not being allowed to watch Grandstand hardly qualifies as child abuse.

Posted on 15 Jun 2012 19:35:35 BDT
A religion you're forced into isn't worth having.

Posted on 15 Jun 2012 19:53:02 BDT
Jay Bee says:
I liked Andy's spelling check (seriously). It's our language; let's get it right.
Worth repeating one of my favourites? Here goes:-
"CDs " should be the spelling on ads when more than one CD is meant - i.e. not "CD's" which
would mean "belonging" to the CD.. ridiculous really.
Same goes for advertisers who push "DVD's" when they just mean more than one DVD ...
Fair enough? Rant over.

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Jun 2012 20:00:14 BDT
gille liath says:
I dunno...I'd say acronyms are a bit of a grey area; strictly you're right but, especially in handwriting, there's some sense in distinguishing the plural 's' from the rest.

Besides, we all have words we're not sure about: 'abbreviation' for example - eh Andy?

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Jun 2012 21:38:57 BDT
But the question is, can teaching a religion as truth early in a child's life remove or reduce the ability to later assess it rationally?

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Jun 2012 22:36:20 BDT
The answer is yes, but since only a few churches are like that, it generally isn't as bad as your thread title makes out.

There is also the problem that most Christian parents go to church on Sunday mornings. Short of leaving at home (irresponsible) I don't actually see an alternative.

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Jun 2012 22:38:16 BDT
Given the sheer number of atheists who claim to have been put off religion by parent's actions, I think not.

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Jun 2012 22:46:35 BDT
Last edited by the author on 15 Jun 2012 22:59:00 BDT
Jim Guest says:
It makes no real difference. Everyone knows the truth, these days. The inability, or rather unwillingness, to discuss the subject rationally, in particular the fear of discussion with those who who are both rational and informed, makes that clear. The use of religions enforced on children, like Romanism, JWism and SDA, used to be to provide protection for corrupt adults against the honesty and indignation of the young. It still is, of course, but with decreasing effectiveness. Children are now being corrupted far more by carnality.

Posted on 15 Jun 2012 23:38:34 BDT
No. Very much like forced sex.

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Jun 2012 23:45:31 BDT
Jim Guest says:
So it's ok to seduce children?

Posted on 15 Jun 2012 23:57:25 BDT
Charlieost says:
Ah Tom M gets a chance to air his little passions and predjudices. No matter the thread his I hate gays message comes across loud and clear. Same sex parenting, gosh no.

So what's that got to do with this thread Tom?

No children should not be forced to attend some lunatic fringe assembly in the name of religion or anything else. Male dominated patriarchal rubbish forced on girls and boys is another form of abuse. Social workers should be allowed to intervene in these circumstances. Thats my opinion Tom because I have seen the damage that these headcases inflict on their offspring. Ban them, ban them all.

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Jun 2012 23:57:58 BDT
Last edited by the author on 15 Jun 2012 23:59:22 BDT
Got the stats on this?

Although it is nice of you to acknowledge that atheists rationally move away from religion.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Jun 2012 00:11:50 BDT
Jim Guest says:
Catholics post on the internet in order that there will be no internet.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Jun 2012 00:55:56 BDT
Why do you post on the internet, Jim?

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Jun 2012 01:20:12 BDT
Jim Guest says:
To ask why it is that, when the internet began, its religious forums were packed to the rafters with atheists saying that Christianity was an appalling religion because of its Crusades and Inquisitions, massacre, censorship, superstitions, institutional abuses, etc.; but now the people responsible for atrocities are actually defended by some atheists, when there is a perceived Christian around.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Jun 2012 01:45:08 BDT
Thanks for the insight, into your motivation.

Hugh.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Jun 2012 02:00:03 BDT
Jim Guest says:
It will be presumed that you approve of murder, you realise.

And not just you.
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