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Cardinal O'Brien -the latest in a long list of shamed catholics.


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Initial post: 24 Feb 2013 08:47:57 GMT
C. A. Small says:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21563345

And this clown gets to help choose the next poop.

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Feb 2013 09:49:32 GMT
Drew Jones says:
Bit of an odd timing for the other bishops to have a crisis of confidence that means they bring matters they've been sitting on for decades to the fore just when he gets to play his part in picking a new Pope. There's room for power-play and catty in-fighting to be behind this too.

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Feb 2013 10:03:09 GMT
C. A. Small says:
Drew- I thought I was cynical! Surely you're not suggesting political manouvering and skullduggery in the hallowed upper echelons of the moral compass that is the catholic church?

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Feb 2013 10:22:11 GMT
Last edited by the author on 24 Feb 2013 10:27:23 GMT
Drew Jones says:
The Catholic church is nothing if not tradional. All that hypocrisy, moralising whinging, homophobia, obsessions with the sex and influence everyone else has got, and looking out for their own interests is their stock in trade but under current circumstances will be turned on each other for a bit.

It's a momentus occasion for a lot of them right now, there's a big job up for grabs and all the fallout that entails so expect lots of what they do best over the next week or two is all I'm saying.

Posted on 24 Feb 2013 12:20:32 GMT
Last edited by the author on 24 Feb 2013 12:22:33 GMT
Bellatori says:
If I heard the news rightly there is a whole pile of this type of thing going on in the USA to try and stop certain cardinals from voting.

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Also creating a scandal whether true or false is a good way to make sure that that cardinal does not get elected. Would n't be surprised if we get a lot more of this...

Posted on 24 Feb 2013 12:47:50 GMT
C. A. Small says:
God moves in mysterious ways apparently. Imagine giving your earthly advertising campaign to such a bunch of dishonourable, self-serving, immoral wretches!

Posted on 24 Feb 2013 16:11:37 GMT
Bellatori says:
It is always interesting when someone says they will consult their solicitors. I generally find that if there is no smoking gun an immediate denial is forthcoming. When someone needs time to organise it usually means they want time to see what they can manufacture as a defence.

Posted on 24 Feb 2013 19:03:21 GMT
Roma says:
I like to wait until a a trial is complete and a guilty verdict is reached before I condemn a person s behaviour. Every allegation must be investigated but to assume the guilt of someone before evidence is presented and examined smacks of McCarthyism.

I m reaching the conclusion that between an allegation and an actual charge of sexual abuse, anonymity of the accused should be preserved. Also of concern is the assumption that if someone wishes to engage the services of a lawyer prior to making a statement then ipso facto that person must be guilty.

Abuse is abhorrent: odious is the malicious enjoyment that seems to be weaving itself into the downfall, proven or alleged, of a previously respected member of society.

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Feb 2013 19:20:17 GMT
Why would anyone in the UK care who is going to be Pope anyway?

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Feb 2013 19:23:56 GMT
Bellatori says:
"I like to wait until a trial is complete and a guilty verdict is reached before I condemn a person s behaviour"

So Jimmy Saville is innocent as he can never come to trial.

...and who said he was guilty anyway?

Posted on 24 Feb 2013 19:35:40 GMT
How fortunate we are to have posters who tell us what we already know, Roma.

Posted on 24 Feb 2013 19:58:54 GMT
Roma says:
Bellatori

You referred to a smoking gun, implying that if one s initial reaction is to seek legal advice then it is likely to be guilty. You also referred to the manufacturing of a defence, from which I inferred signified there could be no legitimate defence.

I actually thought you were referring to Cardinal O Brien, not J Saville. I believe that in the latter s case sufficient evidence has been presented to assume that he was guilty.

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Feb 2013 20:03:02 GMT
Roma says:
HI Ryan Why the sarcasm? I m only asking that we don t "crucify " people when their guilt has not been established.

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Feb 2013 20:11:50 GMT
Bellatori says:
Yes but according to you that is exactly what you must not do...

"I like to wait until a trial is complete and a guilty verdict is reached before I condemn a person s behaviour."

As far as the Bishop is concerned the current track record of the RC episcope leaves one a tad concerned. I also pointed out that this is a good tactic for making sure someone is discredited before the vote. Would you risk electing a Pope who might end up in court?

The whole thing is going to run and run ...

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Feb 2013 20:23:08 GMT
Roma says:
Hi I hadn t heard about similar cases in USA (I haven t read my Sunday papers yet )and was only thinking about Cardinal O Brian whom I assumed wasn t in the running to be elected. I can t get my head round the idea of a Pope being on trial, or say the monarch, for such heinous crimes. It s a truly frightening thought!

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Feb 2013 20:40:32 GMT
Last edited by the author on 24 Feb 2013 20:42:37 GMT
Two reasons, R. 1. Your post demanded it, 2. Sarcasm delivers the necessary lesson more obliquely.

Your subsequent post unfortunately suggests it didn't sink in.

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Feb 2013 21:11:16 GMT
RCs are the largest practising faith community in the UK. Remember how the Queen, Cameron etc feted him and how he spoke at Westminster Hall. He spoke a lot of sense too about faith and reason that you'd be well advised to read.

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Feb 2013 21:17:09 GMT
Roma says:
I must really be very slow. That apart, you haven t actually expressed an opinion on the topic under discussion. I would have preferred to hear your views on the issue rather rather an an appraisal on myself.

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Feb 2013 21:28:55 GMT
That's the problem. It was an official visit wasn't it? Terrible. Pope John Paul II was only unofficial.

Posted on 24 Feb 2013 21:38:07 GMT
Last edited by the author on 24 Feb 2013 21:39:41 GMT
Then I'll spell it out simply: telling people what they already know and accept, besides being redundant, also makes you seem self-important.

I still find it hard to believe you couldn't grasp this, nor the consequent futility of your posts since.

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Feb 2013 21:43:44 GMT
DB says:
Roma
Ryan does not discuss. He puts in a couple of lines of abuse in every discussion without actually contributing. It makes him feel better.
He is pitied and tollerated.

Posted on 24 Feb 2013 22:17:18 GMT
Roma says:
Thanks for that. It is rather hurtful when you try to enter into a discussion and are put down in such a manner.

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Feb 2013 22:21:46 GMT
DB says:
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Posted on 24 Feb 2013 22:26:28 GMT
DB is a zealot, a hypocrite, a liar, a defender of child abusers, and consequently one of the most detested people on the forum for those very reasons.

If you waste the time of the (largely) good people of this forum, try to fudge facts or insult their intelligence in any way, you will answer to me.

Posted on 24 Feb 2013 22:37:09 GMT
DB says:
Ryan is trying to say that I am a christian and therefore fair game.
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