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Initial post: 19 Aug 2014 10:20:06 BDT
Huck Flynn says:
would we have peace ?
would we have more freedom ?
would we be happy ?

Posted on 19 Aug 2014 10:49:42 BDT
Bearman says:
No

Posted on 19 Aug 2014 11:00:20 BDT
Anita says:
Yes, Bearman, no. (Sorry, couldn't resist)

There would be no peace, because it's not religion or lack thereof what made/makes people greedy, jealous, competitive, aggressive and so on. Religion at best (worst) can be just an excuse. If there was only one language in the world, only one skin colour, et cetera, we'd still find what to fight about.

I'll skip the freedom part, it's been talked of over and over.

Happiness is actually a very personal matter and never lasts long. Don't you have happier and unhappier days?

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Aug 2014 11:08:07 BDT
Bearman says:
Happier and unhappier days? Well yes, but I try to limit it. If something goes wrong, I allow myself no more than one day to wallow in self pity, and then the following day I give myself a metaphorical kick up the backside, and make a concerted effort to see the funny/brighter side of things. I hate negativity and defeatism. There have only been 2 exceptions to this in my life, both relating to the deaths of someone close to me.

Posted on 19 Aug 2014 11:28:29 BDT
Last edited by the author on 19 Aug 2014 11:30:02 BDT
TomC says:
There are supposedly over 40,000 different sects of Christianity alone. If Christians themselves can't agree, what hope is there for uniting the world? Admittedly many of these differences are probably slight - on the level of arguing whether they should call themselves the United Judean People's Front, as opposed to the United People's Front of Judea.

On the other hand, I can't help noticing that some identify themselves as "LGBT-affirming", while others probably regard any sexual activity which does not consist of a man lying on top of his wife in a darkened bedroom as utterly damnable, and just cause for crucifixion. One feels that no bridges can be made which are capable of spanning chasms like these. Societies change, but religions seem to be made of less flexible stuff.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Aug 2014 11:53:34 BDT
Bearman says:
Splitters!

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Aug 2014 14:02:32 BDT
Last edited by the author on 19 Aug 2014 14:12:45 BDT
If there was only one religion in the world .....

would we have peace ?
would we have more freedom ?
would we be happy ?

Certainly not!

Although the idea of a 'One World Government' as the salvation of humanity seems a good thing? in reality, such an all embracing tyranny could only be hell on earth for the majority of those it would control so absolutely.

Illustration

Imagine for a moment that I was fortunate enough to find myself the 'Big Brother' type Fuhrer of such an all embracing 'One World Government' ?
1. The winners would be hard working family types, the military, law enforcement and space research departments.
2. The losers would be adulterers/fornicators/sodomites, those abandoning their responsibilities to their off-spring, the 'liberal' professions and any others 'suspected' of anti-social activities.

Then put yourself in the same position of utterly unfettered power over your fellow humanity, and make a list of your own priorities; for good and ill.

Is there one among those contributing here who can genuinely say that in such a position of unfettered power, their ideas/policies would be beneficial to all while victimising none? If so post a list of those policies for discussion.

"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men." - John Emerich Edward Dalberg-Acton, 1st Baron Acton, KCVO, DL (10 January 1834 - 19 June 1902).

That's why a World Faith/Government would actually be hell on earth for most, NOT paradise. Today if a paedophile/sodomite feels persecuted for his sexuality in the Islamic World, he can always emigrate to the West where that same behaviour is 'tolerated'. Same thing with religion, finance etc.... If a devout Islamic loathes the Western World, he can migrate to a country enjoying Sharia Law, a wealthy individual (such as Richard Branson, Cliff Richards ?) can leave the Socialism of Europe and settle in some alternative land where taxes are lower/non-existent.

In a One World/New World Order the ONLY choice would be to do what you are told when you are told, OR pay the price for disobedience.

That's not my idea of paradise; and I doubt many here would truly enjoy the oppressive reality?

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Aug 2014 14:06:27 BDT
Stu says:
Why else CWB?
Because of all that sodomy fornication and std.

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Aug 2014 14:09:33 BDT
Last edited by the author on 19 Aug 2014 14:12:21 BDT
As I said Stu:-

"put yourself in the same position of utterly unfettered power over your fellow humanity, and make a list of your own priorities; for good and ill.

Is there one among those contributing here who can genuinely say that in such a position of unfettered power, their ideas/policies would be beneficial to all while victimising none? If so post a list of those policies for discussion. "

Well lets go for it Stu ?

You tell us all your idea of a paradise society, and we can all discuss it.

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Aug 2014 14:43:54 BDT
Garscadden says:
But we aren't talking about a one world government, just a single religion.

Do you understand the difference?

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Aug 2014 15:59:33 BDT
Last edited by the author on 19 Aug 2014 17:42:50 BDT
Stu says:
Ok CWB.
Firstly if I had the power to make all these things happen let's see.
1)There would be no illness in the world whatsoever, or war 2)everybody in the world that was fit, was found a job
3)everybody in the world rented accommodation ie house or flat from the government, and paid rent only according to their income.
4)No illegal immigrants in any country, wherever you were born country wise you stayed.
5)No racism homophobia etc, all persons accepted for what and who they are.
6)Murderers automatically got life imprisonment, and life meant life.
and no easy life in prisons like they have now.
7)All churches closed, whatever religion, all religion banned.
8)More money invested in a proper police force, all the non police the ncpos made redundant.
9)The gas and electricity companies, charge per what the person earns, at a percentage rate.
10)Two weeks free holiday per year, where I'm afraid the higher earners must have first choice for supporting the poorer earners the rest of the year.
11)cigarettes and alcohol would also be taxed per monies earned, and you would have to go to a government shop for those where fingerprints stored so no cheating etc.
12)HOSPITALS AND G.P services would be supported by the government, and monies given to them to ensure the patient gets the best possible service and treatment.
13)Ensure everybody is properly housed, not like myself for one I have not got a room to eat in ie a dining room, which I believe I SHOULD.
I have to eat my dinner off a tray on my lap in the living room. how much would you like that every night CWB?

Well that's all I can think of at the moment CWB, expect that will get a reaction anyway.

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Aug 2014 16:48:09 BDT
Garscadden says:
I actually think I prefer CWBs dictatorship than yours Stu, I'm afraid.

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Aug 2014 16:49:53 BDT
In general, it seems as though in your ideal world you pretty much want to punish anyone that does well/achieves/succeeds etc.

As for 13 ... well ... I don't have a dining room either. I don't find my life any worse off from the lack of it. I won't have a dining room in my new house, don't view that as a hardship either lol

There are other things, I'll comment on your list properly when I'm back - but it's tea time, so need my lap for the plate rather than laptop ;)

Posted on 19 Aug 2014 17:13:33 BDT
Huck Flynn says:
in principle i thought that if we were all the same religion then we couldn't use that as a justtification or excuse for our tribal conflicts and self interested pursuits. in practice of course, depending on the religion, there would be a certain amount of discrimination against groups based on their sex oor sexuality for instance, and there may not be tolerance for those who chose not to follow the faith in question (the choice being the faith or no faith obviously)

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Aug 2014 17:16:31 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 19 Aug 2014 17:17:46 BDT
Anita says:
Yeeeaaahh... Entry 13 made me wonder how much place does one person really needs. I'd love a studio, oh yeah, I would. On the other hand all my life I've been eating in the kitchen, and the vast majority of my guests have always said it was the most cosy place for a party :)

Otherwise it just smacks of the soviet union I'm more than tremendously happy to NOT live in anymore <shudder>

Posted on 19 Aug 2014 17:20:24 BDT
Last edited by the author on 19 Aug 2014 17:24:17 BDT
"I have to eat my dinner off a tray on my lap in the living room. how much would you like that every night CWB?"

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Never mind everyone having clean water to drink, I WANT A DINING ROOM MUMMY.

Posted on 19 Aug 2014 17:25:55 BDT
Spin says:
A universal religion requires universal experiences and univeral ambitions and aspirations. Globalisation and multi-culturalism may one day lead to the develpment of such a universal religion.

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Aug 2014 17:31:50 BDT
Huck Flynn says:
McDonalds ? is that a religion?

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Aug 2014 17:40:10 BDT
Spin says:
Huck; McDonalds vs Burger King; the high street equivalent of Catholic vs Protestant. =)

Posted on 19 Aug 2014 17:46:03 BDT
Stu says:
Oh well knew it would get a reaction :-)

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Aug 2014 17:46:58 BDT
Well they do have the spookily Jesus like character Ronald Mcdonald.

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Aug 2014 18:36:13 BDT
I think you mean probably not, not certainly not, unless you're claiming some sort of clairvoyance. Perhaps some more accurate questions would be:

would we have 'more chance of' peace?
**I'd say yes since there'd be a lot less reasons to fight.
would we have more freedom?
**Clearly we would it's pretty silly to suggest otherwise.
would we be happy?
**An odd question, I suspect he means would we be happier? Some might some might not, as I say it's an odd question.

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Aug 2014 18:40:25 BDT
Last edited by the author on 19 Aug 2014 20:10:08 BDT
Equal rights for every man woman and child. An end to poverty, and war, and the billions squandered on arms channelled into education and health care.

I would not victimise anyone, and the first part about being beneficial to all is a red herring as some people are currently much better off than others so how would a fairer world where everyone had what they needed be beneficial to people who currently have huge wealth and power which they neither need nor deserve.

Posted on 19 Aug 2014 18:44:44 BDT
Spin says:
KFC is the high street equivalent of Islam and Dominos are the Mormons...=) I'm not quite sure where Subway fits in; perhaps as Unitarians =)
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