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Some people are gay, get over it. Some people don't like gays, get over it.


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Initial post: 23 Feb 2014 09:47:04 GMT
There! A nice, simple formula for ending all this bickering.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Feb 2014 09:55:55 GMT
Last edited by the author on 23 Feb 2014 09:56:21 GMT
Withnail says:
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmond Burke

I think we all hope that we are fighting an evilness, and our only weapon on this forum is words.

Note I am not saying what the evilness is and who the good men are.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Feb 2014 10:51:03 GMT
Easy to say but clearly not easy to do viz. Tom M, mkm Bradders etc...
They cannot get over it and clearly obsessing about it is a fundamental part of their "raison d'etre"

Without the obsession they feel they are nothing.

Posted on 23 Feb 2014 11:04:22 GMT
Last edited by the author on 23 Feb 2014 12:04:58 GMT
If someone says 'some people hate Jews, deal with it'...

...suddenly Simon's logic seems a bit tarnished.

Dangerous, even.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Feb 2014 11:10:41 GMT
I hope you might be able to see by now that things are not quite that simple Simon.

It is not that some people don't like gays, but that they try to convince that there is something MORALLY WRONG with being gay. This is not quite the same thing.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Feb 2014 11:19:09 GMT
Hi Tony. Of course they have a reason for their dislike. That is a bit basic.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Feb 2014 11:20:35 GMT
Not at all Wyan. You forgot to stop writing in the 'God like mode'. If some people hate Jews, that is their right.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Feb 2014 11:27:54 GMT
Last edited by the author on 23 Feb 2014 11:30:25 GMT
I don't think you grasp that this is a discussion forum, or how stupid it is to start a juvenile thread suggesting all discussion ends. To be fair it's as asinine and juvenile as your histrionics suggesting everyone simply accept views that are repulsive, bigoted, homophobic, or even racist. Your thread like all your posts have the tone of a sulking teenager out to troll and provide nothing of value, and you've been told this, so do try and grow up.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Feb 2014 11:29:05 GMT
Mr. Anthony Wilde says:
I hope you might be able to see by now that things are not quite that simple Simon.

It is not that some people don't like gays, but that they try to convince that there is something MORALLY WRONG with being gay. This is not quite the same thing.

Simple Simon, brilliant. That'll catch on..

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Feb 2014 11:29:42 GMT
No it's not, there is no such right.

Posted on 23 Feb 2014 12:05:55 GMT
If you don't want answers don't ask questions, Simon.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Feb 2014 12:14:13 GMT
Dr. Please explain why it not a right. Does a person have a right to hate anybody? If not why not? Would you say that the Jews had a right to hate the Nazis in World War Two?

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Feb 2014 12:14:53 GMT
I love answers. Because they show the level of being of the poster.

Posted on 23 Feb 2014 12:28:47 GMT
Would you like me to repeat my last post, Simon?

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Feb 2014 12:36:16 GMT
Gomsy says:..."Does a person have a right to hate anybody?"

There are people I cannot be bothered with and some that I see as an irrelevance to humanity but I have never hated anyone because that represents an investment of emotional energy which such a person does not warrant. That does not mean that I do not oppose the sort of bigotry that we get from the likes of Tom M (the Edmund Burke quote above covers that) but hate would be such a waste of effort.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Feb 2014 12:38:27 GMT
Nestov...long winded...and you did not answer the question.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Feb 2014 12:39:07 GMT
I refer my learned friend to the answer I gave, thanks.

Posted on 23 Feb 2014 12:39:45 GMT
I notice something....

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Feb 2014 12:44:46 GMT
You could try thinking about the implications of what I wrote... the answer should leap out at you if you do...

Posted on 23 Feb 2014 12:47:20 GMT
I doubt he will. Simon is too dim and obtuse.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Feb 2014 12:53:56 GMT
God says:
"Some people are black, get over it. Some people don't like blacks, get over it. There! A nice, simple formula for ending all this bickering."

How does that sound?

Obviously the problem of racism is not entirely solved by us agreeing not to worry about it. For example, people might not get jobs or promotions or hold political office because of their race, or they might get picked on by police or beaten up by thugs, or spend their lives being resented, looked down on and never quite taken seriously by members of the racial majority. This is not solved by us blandly accepting that some people choose to be racists and forgetting about it.

The issues are exactly the same for other forms of prejudice.

Posted on 23 Feb 2014 13:17:10 GMT
Quite. And Simon is effectively condoning all of that.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Feb 2014 13:24:06 GMT
'In reply to your post on 23 Feb 2014 11:19:09 GMT

Gomsy says:

Hi Tony. Of course they have a reason for their dislike. That is a bit basic.'

Hi Simon,

Yes they do. The point however is that the reason that they have for their dislike is not the reason they give for what is wrong with homosexuality. To claim that something is morally wrong is to claim a great deal more than that one does not like it (unless you're A. J. Ayer).

Besides which it is difficult to see WHAT they dislike. It is nothing but a fantasy of what they take homosexuals to be that they dislike. It is worth asking why they form this fantasy in the first place.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Feb 2014 13:30:24 GMT
No one has the right to hate anyone, unless you can point to such a right enshrined in law that I have missed. Perhaps you think this should be made a right and a law passed? I am afraid I'd have to disagree.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Feb 2014 13:32:29 GMT
Well said, but of course the point I have made, and that Simon has misunderstood, is that hating someone is not a right, one may do it if they wish of course, but as you point out so eruditely it's all rather pointless, and if they do choose to hate someone that doesn't mean they have a right to do so.
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