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Initial post: 12 Nov 2013 18:48:34 GMT
Why do so many people who call themselves Christians lie so blatantly on these threads?

Do they not know or do they not care?

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Nov 2013 19:06:15 GMT
T. GREEN says:
Perhaps "they know not what they do" but perhaps not.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Nov 2013 19:13:33 GMT
Do they deceive themselves first?

This amused me T:

'Fiction was invented the day Jonah arrived home and told his wife that he was three days late because he had been swallowed by a whale.'
― Gabriel Garcí­a Márquez

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Nov 2013 19:21:27 GMT
T. GREEN says:
I expect they do Tony, something to do with the individual realities that we have I guess.

The ones who "know not what they do" I do feel a little sorry for, but my pity runs dry when the truth is obvious and they are jumping through hoops to avoid it.

Like your quote, anyone that thinks a human can survive in a whales digestive system is nuts, along with the fact that its not possible as far as I know for whales to eat this way, with the possible exception of killer whales which really are mis-named sharks.

I think they might chew a bit though.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Nov 2013 19:26:56 GMT
True.

But when it comes to swallowing things, (if you'll pardon the strained analogy) it seems to me that Jonah's wife was the one who was most able to swallow what was, rationally speaking, indigestible.

This could be understood to be due to the fact that she had too much to lose by accepting the rather sad fact that Jonah had been up to things which would have been painful for her to even imagine. There are perhaps affinities here to some reasons for belief.

Posted on 12 Nov 2013 19:29:22 GMT
In SJB's case, I suspect he was a born liar.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Nov 2013 19:48:29 GMT
Mrs. F. Shaw says:
When you are lying to yourself every single day about something that is not real or true, why is it such a surprise that they lie to others?

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Nov 2013 20:04:33 GMT
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Lying to yourself has an odd structure Mrs Shaw, as philosophers have noted.

On the one hand to lie one must somehow be aware that the content of the lie is not true, otherwise the task of deception is not possible. But on the other, if one knows that it is not true how can one really convince oneself that it is?

Notions like 'bad faith' in Sartre, 'inauthenticity' in Heidegger and 'the unconscious' in Freud are designed to tackle this paradox.

In contrast, lying to others seems easy.

It is curious then that Nietzsche wrote that "The most common lie is that which one lies to himself; lying to others is relatively an exception."

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Nov 2013 20:13:27 GMT
Mrs. F. Shaw says:
I'm not up on my philosophy but I wonder if the repetitive nature of the lie (delusion) is to convince oneself that it is true. I think SJB is actually having a fight with his conscience.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YXINEYdnkY

I like this video because I believe this girl has the right message for believers.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Nov 2013 20:31:54 GMT
Thank you Mrs Shaw, that was very good and very true.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Nov 2013 20:36:16 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 12 Nov 2013 20:39:53 GMT
I don't believe you

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Nov 2013 20:40:49 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 12 Nov 2013 20:40:58 GMT
But I like the new name Simon.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Nov 2013 20:41:17 GMT
I don't believe that either.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Nov 2013 20:41:55 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 12 Nov 2013 20:42:28 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 12 Nov 2013 20:49:48 GMT
Heretic says:
I think I'm right in saying it wasn't a whale but a great fish:

(KJV)Jonah 2:17 Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.

Heretic

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Nov 2013 20:51:48 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 12 Nov 2013 20:55:40 GMT
You are right Heretic. But I don't think that has a great deal of bearing on the witticism or the subsequent analogy I dragged (kicking and screaming) out of it.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Nov 2013 20:58:08 GMT
T. GREEN says:
Well that's all well and good Heretic my old pal, but as far as im aware there is no fish that is big enough to do this with a man whole inside, at least today, which is why it's always assumed that it's a whale I guess. Digestive system and chewing might be a minor consideration I expect in any animal.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Nov 2013 21:10:45 GMT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlZ2w9qSwoI

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Nov 2013 21:14:54 GMT
T. GREEN says:
Yep :-)

Posted on 12 Nov 2013 21:15:44 GMT
Heretic says:
You are both entirely right but I just brought up the point to stop it being brought up later - I don't know the biggest fish but I really do think it daft to think one could swallow a man but undoubtedly someone will tell us different.

I don't recognise TNF/GOMSY, are you new here or just changed your name?

Heretic

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Nov 2013 21:19:59 GMT
Last edited by the author on 12 Nov 2013 21:23:44 GMT
T. GREEN says:
I know you did Heretic, and valid it was certainly, although it won't stop it being brought up later Im sure.

http://www.history.com/news/scientists-discover-worlds-largest-fish

Edit: *That was a little while ago* Apparently though today:

"The whale shark is the world's biggest fish, maxing out at about 65 feet in length and weighing up to about 75,000 pounds."
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