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Pope Francis goes "off-piste"


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Initial post: 27 May 2013 03:12:32 BDT
Ford Prefect says:
Pope Francis made these comments during the homily of his morning Mass on Wednesday, May 22nd 2013:

"The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! `Father, the atheists?' Even the atheists. Everyone! We are created children in the likeness of God and the Blood of Christ has redeemed us all! And we all have a duty to do good. And this commandment for everyone to do good, I think, is a beautiful path towards peace. If we, each doing our own part, if we do good to others, if we meet there, doing good, and we go slowly, gently, little by little, we will make that culture of encounter: we need that so much. We must meet one another doing good. `But I don't believe, Father, I am an atheist!' But do good: we will meet one another there."

This was swiftly followed by a Vatican response on Thursday, May 23rd from Father Thomas Rosica, who stated that people who know about the Catholic church "cannot be saved" if they "refuse to enter her or remain in her."

So, Pope says: everybody who is `good', regardless of faith or lack thereof, will be `saved'. Vatican says: nope, only Roman Catholics get saved; *everyone* else is toast.

http://www.examiner.com/article/vatican-corrects-pope-atheists-are-still-going-to-hell

How long will Pope Francis last if he continues to preach off message? Should he consider employing a food-taster?

In reply to an earlier post on 27 May 2013 03:58:45 BDT
light says:
Pope Francis is not the only one who believes this way. Surely the blood of God's son is strong enough to cover everyone who is trying to lead a good life but because of circumstances and lack of measurable proof of the existence of God have decided to deny the existence of God. I'm glad that the Pope is not dwelling on doctrine and forced beliefs.

I'll check out your link, is the examiner a reputable paper? or is it a rag mag, just curious.

thanks

In reply to an earlier post on 27 May 2013 07:21:41 BDT
Heretic says:
Isn't this just a reflection of what the bible says? If I remember rightly it says

1 John 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
1 John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

In accordance with their scripture "Pope Francis" is right and "Father Thomas Rosica" is wrong, unless there is a holy writing we do not know about and to be honest that would not suprise me.

SWH

In reply to an earlier post on 27 May 2013 08:14:12 BDT
Last edited by the author on 27 May 2013 09:11:59 BDT
Bellatori says:
Generally contradicting Popes is a bad idea (Just ask Galileo!). Father Thomas Rosica (not Cardinal? no chance now!!) is not exactly contradicting the Pope is he. He is saying yup that's true BUT if you know about the RCC then that sin will see you left behind when the salvation ship leaves her moorings.

Good one Franny boy! [EDIT] NOLI ILLEGITAME CARBORUNDUM EST

In reply to an earlier post on 27 May 2013 11:06:08 BDT
Pendragon says:
Apparently Pope Francis' homily was inspired by the passage in Mark 9:38-40 in which the disciples tell Jesus that they tried to stop someone from driving out demons because he was not one of their party.

Jesus rebukes them saying: "Do not stop him ... . For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, for whoever is not against us is for us."

In reply to an earlier post on 27 May 2013 11:08:56 BDT
Pendragon says:
light

"is the examiner a reputable paper? or is it a rag mag"

Actually, examiner.com it is something of an atheist rag mag. Its ads somewhat give the game away.

But the story is carried by non rag-mags, eg see

http://www.religionnews.com/2013/05/22/pope-francis-god-redeemed-everyone-not-just-catholics/

Posted on 27 May 2013 13:21:26 BDT
Last edited by the author on 27 May 2013 13:21:49 BDT
##### says:
Pascal's Wager would seem somewhat redundant now unless the pope has simply been at the communion sherry, we can all get a bit loved up in our grog after all.

Posted on 27 May 2013 13:23:16 BDT
Bellatori says:
If Pope Francis is off-piste does that make Father Thomas Rosic Piste off?

Posted on 27 May 2013 16:07:21 BDT
Last edited by the author on 27 May 2013 16:08:32 BDT
Henry James says:
If one don't need 2 B a catholic 2 B saved
that do remove some of the urgency in converting, don't it?

you DO need to be a Mormon to reach the highest level of heaven however. So come join us

Posted on 27 May 2013 20:06:58 BDT
The priest who condemned the Pope is a Canadian member of the Vatican press corps. The newspaper article cited is from a secularist outlet-- it is deliberately misleading to call him a 'Vatican spokesman' as if he representing the official view of the whole Vatican. The Church has been saying what the Pope has just said since Vatican 2.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 May 2013 20:14:08 BDT
##### says:
That Atheists will go to heaven? What about gay men and women?

In reply to an earlier post on 27 May 2013 20:26:59 BDT
Bellatori says:
"The priest who *** condemned *** the Pope is a Canadian member of the Vatican press corps."

I woudl suggest that any priest who condemns a Pope is likely to get a holiday at a convent somewhere in Iran or Somalia at a guess....!!

In reply to an earlier post on 27 May 2013 20:40:55 BDT
Last edited by the author on 27 May 2013 20:41:09 BDT
##### says:
I have proffered an apology in the other thread, and am doing so in this thread, as I did indeed confuse you with Tom.M. so once again my unreserved apology for my mistake, and the comments I made.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 May 2013 22:34:50 BDT
They will have just as much chance as heterosexuals since presumably they are doing what they genuinely believe is right and good -- I certainly don't disagree with them.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 May 2013 22:35:45 BDT
Well, I find myself siding with the present Pope -- a happy experience for a Catholic and one I have not always had!

In reply to an earlier post on 27 May 2013 22:37:07 BDT
Accepted gladly -- I know, and knew it was just a mistake. Once or twice other people have done it, Tom W

In reply to an earlier post on 28 May 2013 03:03:02 BDT
light says:
thanks Pendragon I'll check it out.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 May 2013 03:11:23 BDT
light says:
TW,

I resort to a verse from Jeremiah when it comes to heaven, because this does not refer to any doctrine or religion. The essence of God isn't about religion but a state of being:

Jeremiah 17:10 ►

New International Version

"I the LORD search the heart and examine the mind, to reward each person according to their conduct, according to what their deeds deserve."

In reply to an earlier post on 28 May 2013 07:10:35 BDT
Heretic says:
Bellatori says: "[EDIT] NOLI ILLEGITAME CARBORUNDUM EST"

I was going to ask for a translation as my one year of schoolboy latin [40 years distant by now] is a bit rusty but I got it just as I started this post!

:->>

SWH

Posted on 28 May 2013 23:49:24 BDT
Last edited by the author on 28 May 2013 23:57:41 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 29 May 2013 02:04:07 BDT
Ford Prefect says:
"Pope Francis is not the only one who believes this way." Perhaps, but it's a rather odd stance for the head of the Roman Catholic Church and God's annointed mouthpiece on Earth etc etc to take, especially given 2 millenia of "the only way is via us and the heathens and heretics are gonna burn" ...

Source updates: Vatican Radio and Zenit:

http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2013/05/22/pope_at_mass:_culture_of_encounter_is_the_foundation_of_peace/en1-694445
http://www.zenit.org/en/articles/explanatory-note-on-the-meaning-of-salvation-in-francis-daily-homily-of-may-22

In reply to an earlier post on 29 May 2013 02:21:21 BDT
Ford Prefect says:
But then there's, e.g.;
Deuteronomy 13
2 John 7-10
2 Corinthians 6:14-17 (which appears to contradict 1 Corinthians 7:12-14)

Scripturally, they're both right!

In reply to an earlier post on 29 May 2013 17:29:37 BDT
Yes Light I think I agree.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 May 2013 03:01:26 BDT
light says:
TW,

Very well then, As a man thinketh in his heart so he is ;o)

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Jun 2013 18:41:42 BDT
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