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If there is ni god who can create a new arm or leg for an amputee., could there possibly be a god who created the whole universe which contains arms and legs?


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Initial post: 9 Mar 2013 20:05:12 GMT
Last edited by the author on 9 Mar 2013 20:06:07 GMT
I find the concept of creation impossible to believe in.

In reply to an earlier post on 9 Mar 2013 20:09:26 GMT
Spin says:
Mrs Hirsch: You have asked that question on a number of threads. It does not address the question of Gods ability to create or destroy. Who are you to say that the construction artificial arms and legs is not "Gods will"? Why do think that a God must contradict his creation by interfering with those laws and circumstances he created? There are species in nature which grow lost limbs, by the way.

Posted on 9 Mar 2013 20:31:08 GMT
A universe of amputees ? Don't worry, they're 'armless.
Had to.

Other than that I don't know what you're on about.

In reply to an earlier post on 9 Mar 2013 20:42:06 GMT
kraka says:
Spin.... well said, expresses my thoughts as well.

Kodokushi.....very funny, and i suppose it don't cost anything to get legless either.

In reply to an earlier post on 9 Mar 2013 20:53:24 GMT
Yes I know that for example Geckos can regrow lost tails. I am just asking this question as for me the fact that lost arms and legs of humans are never replaced no matter how many people pray, for me this disproves the existence of a creator god and also shows that there is no point in praying for healing. can anyone prove me wrong. The reason I ask this question on so many threads is that I am keen for an answer. Now i only post about it on this one.

In reply to an earlier post on 9 Mar 2013 20:54:57 GMT
What i'm on about is I think the fact that no-one who prays is ever healed in this way proves that there is no creator god.

In reply to an earlier post on 9 Mar 2013 21:06:10 GMT
Spin says:
Mrs Hirsch: If God did not "allow" folk to lose limbs, mankind would not be where it is. If sex was not pleasurable, mankind would be extinct. If suffering did not cause pain, mankind would be extinct. Do not think of deity in terms of your conception of a "good" life. There are many disabled people living a rewarding life without resorting to prayer or the expectations and demands of the able-bodied. Why does God allow the evil to be physically abled and the just to be disabled? The question assumes that every disabled person is as pure as the driven snow. Not so.

Posted on 11 Mar 2013 21:21:49 GMT
Bellatori says:
Try googling prayer and healing. There have been a number of experiments in America on the power of prayer. The results are quite interesting and not as straight forward as one might imagine.

Try
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efficacy_of_prayer
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090617154401.htm

etc...

In reply to an earlier post on 11 Mar 2013 22:44:10 GMT
Thanks. I'm reading the articles just now.

Posted on 11 Mar 2013 23:01:06 GMT
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Posted on 12 Mar 2013 04:02:55 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 12 Mar 2013 10:08:02 GMT
Bellatori says:
JHL ... Fermanagh Man says: "All life has a purpose."
Indeed... to survive. Any other purpose is self-defeating and rather pointless.

"We are, I think, all part of something greater then ourselves but nothing is perfect, not even the Universe or perhaps the consciousness that created it!"
An imperfect consciousness that created it... that sort of comment will get you burned at the stake!

"If it was how would it learn, grow, improve." Which is why I find the concept of such an entity unbelievable...

Posted on 12 Mar 2013 11:30:34 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 12 Mar 2013 11:55:48 GMT
TomC says:
So when is he due to pay a visit down our road, then? God's supporter's club seems big on talk, but we've seen precious little action - is someone else getting our share of the miracles ?

Posted on 12 Mar 2013 11:57:12 GMT
Bellatori says:
Mrs. M. M. Tubb says "There has long been evidence of creative miracles by God"

So we are often told but when these things are subject to close scrutiny there are always explanations that do not require divine intervention. The classic example trotted out is Fatima. How can 70000 be wrong... actually the weren't but there is a perfectly sensible explanation that does not require 'magic'

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Last edited by the author on 13 Mar 2013 00:00:22 GMT
E. Sia says:
Bellatori
JHL ... Fermanagh Man says: "All life has a purpose."
Indeed... to survive. Any other purpose is self-defeating and rather pointless.

Personally, i do not think this is what is happening at all.
We have seen suicide bombers who would die to their religion.
We have soldiers who would die for their country, country men to overturn their dictators
Parent/friend/passerbys willing to die to save their children or strangers...

If the ultimate purpose in life is to survive (to keep him/herself alive) then surely it is justified to behave in any way especially during difficult situation (short of food/water) for the reason of survival?

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Mar 2013 09:57:20 GMT
Bellatori says:
"Personally, i do not think this is what is happening at all.
We have seen suicide bombers who would die to their religion.
We have soldiers who would die for their country, country men to overturn their dictators
Parent/friend/passerbys willing to die to save their children or strangers..."

Yes but the race/species survives.

"If the ultimate purpose in life is to survive (to keep him/herself alive) then surely it is justified to behave in any way especially during difficult situation (short of food/water) for the reason of survival?" ...and they do.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Mar 2013 10:45:41 GMT
Last edited by the author on 13 Mar 2013 10:47:25 GMT
Derren Brown can demontrate this effect and prove its nothing to do with God.

So not denying miracle cures etc, but its simply the power of the mind and nothing to do with a deity. should be explored further

sorry thats pretty much all there is to say on this matter these days.

Unless Derren Brown is the anti Christ, that could explain his powers and his atheist stance? But which is more likely

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Mar 2013 11:31:49 GMT
richard says:
Cam,

is that 'which is more likely' to a theist of an atheist?

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Mar 2013 11:58:49 GMT
E. Sia says:
'Indeed... to survive. Any other purpose is self-defeating and rather pointless.'
'Yes but the race/species survives.'

I would like to think that you didn't mean what you said.
When i read the article about 'North Korean eating their own children due to starvation', i felt strongly that it is wrong to do so. I am sure many would agree...
OK some may say this is western's propaganda to its best.
But IF it is true...Why do people feel it is wrong to so do?

IF the ultimate purpose is to survive, nothing else... then why condemn this practice? After all these poor people are only trying to survive using the resources they have, so their action should be justified.

I know this is caused by their government, but ultimately, one will have to decide if his/her action is right... and in this case, i feel that their action is utterly wrong, no amount of 'no choice' can get out of it.
I would rather be starved to death, personally.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Mar 2013 12:07:55 GMT
C. A. Small says:
ES_ interesting assertion- just what is the longest you have been without food?

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Mar 2013 12:08:05 GMT
Wouldn't it make more sense to eat old folk rather than the kids ? Or have they already depleted their stock ?
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