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What do the next fifty years holds for the Western Western World? And more importantly , why?


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Initial post: 18 Apr 2014 16:18:26 BDT
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Posted on 18 Apr 2014 16:50:42 BDT
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Kleist says:
I hope they live in a world where human happiness and flourishing (intellectually and emotionally) is considered more important than ancient prejudices and superstitions.

I hope they live in a world which is more egalitarian and just.

I hope that they live in a world where bigotry is largely a thing of the past: where sexuality, gender, race, age or ethnic origin is not a source of hatred or prejudice. I don't expect that that will happen, but I hope that such bigotry will be restricted to the few sad individuals who will always be bitter and deluded. Homophobes, racist and bigots in general ought to be treated with the same contempt as flat-earthists.

Above all I hope for a world where my children's happiness depends upon the happiness of others and where the ideal of kindness and of putting the other first is taken for granted.

Do I believe that this will come about?

I don't think history is governed by laws: this is a neo-Marxist prejudice adopted by - among others - apocalyptic theorists like the Nazis, see:The Poverty of Historicism (Routledge Classics) and Specters of Marx: The State of the Debt, the Work of Mourning and the New International (Routledge Classics) so it is up to us really.

If we can build a world wherein the emotional and intellectual dinosaurs, who want to project their bitterness onto the world would become either extinct or laughing stocks, then we might just succeed.

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Apr 2014 17:11:19 BDT
Stu says:
A very good post Tony, I would like to live long enough to see my daughter married, and see my first grandchildren, or if she does not want that I would like to see her successful in whichever profession she takes up. Either one would make me the proudest dad alive, and she would know that I would help her all the way. after that I can snuff it no problem, as I would not care as I would be about 75 or so, so science has my body.

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Posted on 18 Apr 2014 17:35:41 BDT
Stu says:
This generation of homophobic, racist, bigots, will be dead, and hopefully they will not have passed their hatred onto their children, to carry on the bigotry.

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More tolerant liberal societies, based on universal human rights, and an end to racism and homophobic bigotry. Some tough decisions tackled to help preserve the climate for future generations, possibly by educating people who are through ignorance, or idiotically and selfishly having massive families, and encouraging their children to do the same, in order to globally reduce our exponentially increasing population.

A tougher, but more imaginative line taken to restoring some kind of peace and equilibrium to the middle east. A planet less dependant on fossil fuels, with fairer trade between developed countries and the developing world. With a global attempt to tackle poverty, and education, especially among children.

Just for a start....

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Apr 2014 17:56:50 BDT
Kleist says:
In reply to your post on 18 Apr 2014 17:27:24 BDT

'C. W. Bradbury says:

Well that's an admirably idealistic vision of tomorrow Mr Wilde;

What is it about today's reality that makes you think it possible?'

The fact that we are overcoming prejudices makes me optimistic.

The fact that the ideal of unrestrained capitalism is largely discredited.

The fact that racism, homophobia and bigotry in general is largely restricted to the uneducated, or those in the grip of a religious dogma, makes me optimistic. I expect reaction from these areas of bigotry, but I think that as time passes and education becomes more available that these will appear - as the catholic church now does - as a desperate attempt to sustain an outdated mode of existence in a world where it has less and less significance.

I am not overly optimistic: the capacity for ignorance to flourish and prejudice to remain in spite of facts is very strong. I do think that these need fighting with every means available.

Posted on 18 Apr 2014 18:02:43 BDT
Nuclear exchange,a few remaining humans,return to hunter gatherers.

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Posted on 18 Apr 2014 18:28:22 BDT
Must suck to know you're one of the last of a dying and despised breed, Bradders.

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TomC says:
"Nuclear exchange,a few remaining humans,return to hunter gatherers."

You have just described Bladder's wet dream. As long as he's one of the few, of course.

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Go tell it to the Marines, Ryan.

I've eleven children, more than twenty grandchildren and two more due to arrive in the coming months.

It would genuinely take disaster on the scale of a nuclear attack to eradicate that 'boots on the ground' reality; even WWI only killed six of us.

As to my own survival, it's of little significance to me now, I assure you. IMHO immortality for any (save the Gods?) is an illusion, a dream peddled to the weak/fearful by those who would control them. I've always believed it's not when but HOW a man dies that counts.

I cannot believe in a paradise
Glorious, undefiled,
For gates all scrolled and streets of gold
Are tales for a dreaming child.

I am too lost for shame
That it moves me unto mirth,
But I can vision a Hell of flame
For I have lived on earth. - Visions. by Robert E Howard.

Posted on 18 Apr 2014 18:42:58 BDT
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And that your gravestone's primary use will be for stray dogs to have a handy spot on which to urinate.

Posted on 18 Apr 2014 18:45:15 BDT
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Little tip. If you want to be taken seriously, don't go on and on about aliens, conspiracy gibberish and the like. It's pitiful, and not even mildly amusing.

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Posted on 18 Apr 2014 18:49:34 BDT
Do you genuinely find it hard to understand why few are going to trust anyone who writes glowing reviews for the autobiography of a genocidal racist?

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The reality is the Earth and the animals could use a few thousand years break from mankind's domination.

Posted on 18 Apr 2014 18:56:18 BDT
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Posted on 18 Apr 2014 19:19:18 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 18 Apr 2014 19:24:03 BDT
When we were kids we were playing in a little woods that at one time had been a cemetery,we started a fire,playing around,it got out of control,and burned up a few acres before the fire department came and put it out,we stayed away a few weeks,then went back to see the damage,the only thing that showed there had been a fire,was the grass was greener where the fire had been.

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Thats not the future that's the present.

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