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Initial post: 30 Apr 2013 17:14:15 BDT
DB says:
The majority of discussion on this site consists of atheists trying to convince theists that they are 'stupid' etc for believing in a God.
The theist is continually asked by an incredulous atheist, how they can believe in god.

I would like to ask the atheists how they come to their non belief.
I.e. perhaps through study etc. Or was there a moment when you said 'God does not exist because...'

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Apr 2013 17:23:54 BDT
Last edited by the author on 30 Apr 2013 17:24:11 BDT
Drew Jones says:
Have you asked your husband?

Posted on 30 Apr 2013 17:24:28 BDT
Heretic says:
I never felt the need to explain this universes existence by using a supernatural first cause.

SWH

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Apr 2013 17:27:13 BDT
DB says:
Drew
Yes i have.
Now i'm asking you.

Posted on 30 Apr 2013 17:28:32 BDT
DB says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 30 Apr 2013 17:30:08 BDT
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Drew Jones says:
My answer would be that you don't come to non-belief, the question contains a faulty premise.

What did your husband say?

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Apr 2013 17:34:13 BDT
Spin says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 30 Apr 2013 17:37:45 BDT
Henry James says:
As the person who started the "How can anyone be so stupid as to take the Bible literally" thread, I would like to stipulate that I don't think it is "stupid" to believe in some sort of God. Indeed, I know many intelligent people who intelligent beliefs about God.

I became an atheist after 19 years as a good Mormon, when the claims of the church just got so far-fetched in face of the realities I saw in the world that I couldn't resolve the dissonances any more.

Most particularly, the I was going to go to the highest level of heaven because I was a Mormon, whereas my Jewish friend couldn't. Even though he was nicer, smarter, more moral, etc than I.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Apr 2013 17:40:10 BDT
T. Green says:
Hi DB,

I will take your question seriously, for me it was a realisation over many years that solidified into what you might understand as atheist now.

This ultimate state of what I think now did not come as any revelation of sudden understanding, merely just by living my life and experiencing new (and old) things.

For a good few years I didn't think of it at all on a level that I was aware of, but my subconscious was deciding for me.

This understanding of mine also comes from a perspective of understanding fairly well the nature of Christian and other religion so I am by no means just discounting religion by ignorance of not knowing it; in fact I even went to Sunday school once or twice.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Apr 2013 17:53:31 BDT
Spin says:
Henry: From reading your posts I would say you are a "Deist", not an atheist.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Apr 2013 18:07:40 BDT
Norm Deplume says:
I have always found it impossible to believe that anything as deeply unlikely as a god could exist.

When I was school, I read a lot of fantasy novels and myths. They were enjoyable stories for the most part but I never at any point thought of them as true.

It is not a question of 'com[ing] to non-belief' but not coming to a belief.

How did you come to a belief in the Christian god and not any of the others? If you never contemplated worshipping any other deity, then it might help you understand how I never contemplated worshipping any god at all.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Apr 2013 18:08:39 BDT
Heretic says:
Just expand your view of natural.

SWH

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Apr 2013 18:14:38 BDT
Spin says:
Heretic: The term "natural" can only refer to what is currently present in this universe. It cannot be "expanded" without straying into metaphysics.

Posted on 30 Apr 2013 18:43:24 BDT
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K. Hoyles says:
I just grew up with an inbuilt scepticism. I don't know why, but I could never relate to the reverence and ceremony experienced by the theists from various denominations who were/are a part of my life. I can understand it when T Green says that his subconscious decided for him. I don't think I struggled with unbelief. I cannot understand why people need the unreality of religion to get them through life. To me, religion is like looking at life through a misty lens.

Posted on 30 Apr 2013 18:43:42 BDT
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Obelix says:
Because the supernatural doesn't exist. There is only the real world, not the pathetic fantasies of religion.

Posted on 30 Apr 2013 18:44:39 BDT
Bellatori says:
Diane...
Do you believe in Santa Claus? If not why not?

As a child you were probably told it was true that Santa existed (unless you had particularly cruel relatives) but eventually you come to see that there is no evidence for that belief. The indoctrination into theism is similar but often more intensive and therefore shaking off the belief is more difficult and some never achieve it.

Posted on 30 Apr 2013 18:47:49 BDT
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BC says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 30 Apr 2013 18:52:41 BDT
K. Hoyles says:
BC - why do you pray? I know you wish to communicate with your god, but what is the purpose? Has it made you a better person?

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Apr 2013 18:53:08 BDT
Obelix says:
It might make amusing reading, BC. It is the only service it is fit to provide.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Apr 2013 18:56:42 BDT
BC says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 30 Apr 2013 18:59:36 BDT
Bellatori says:
Well, 'bungalow' Bill... you say
"I think the answer is, above all, prayer."

When a child of four says it talks to an invisible friend, its parents and relatives think this is 'cute'. When someone of more advanced years starts telling me that they talk to an invisible friend, far from being 'cute, it is a cause for concern and I usually suggest psychiatric help is required.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Apr 2013 18:59:41 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 30 Apr 2013 19:01:16 BDT
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Posted on 30 Apr 2013 19:06:55 BDT
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Obelix says:
Blasphemy, BC, is a victimless crime. Neither you nor that psychopathic god of yours will ever silence free men and women and stop them speaking their minds.
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