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Keep muslim hate preachers off our t.v.'s and preferably out of the country


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Initial post: 25 May 2013 08:07:33 BDT
C. A. Small says:
Is it time to stop tolerating these religious lunatics?

Posted on 25 May 2013 09:11:26 BDT
Bellatori says:
Clive, there is a problem here. Who are these religious lunatics? How do you spot them?

I posted somewhere else that this problem is like the RC paedo priest problem. The vast majority of worshippers are pew sitters. They do not think for themselves and they are so attached to their religion that they will not believe that these problems are endemic. Each case is a one off. As with the Vatican, the muslim council says all the right things but in reality will do nothing. At the moment we get to hear lots of 'prominent' muslims speaking for their 'community'' all saying how awful it is but each one actually denying there is a problem with 'their' particular community. Are they going to denounce these preachers? Of course not. Their local imam is wonderful. Will the identify radical idiots? Of course not because no one in their mosque could possibly like that. Does it sound familiar?

And so the problem will continue. The EDL and BNP which were slowly dying the death are resurrected - this morning the EDL had 100,00+ followers on facebook compared to <20000 a week ago.

We cannot stop these lunatics. Only the communities can and they will pew sit, subconsciously know there is a problem, but deny anything. Three wise monkeys approach...

In reply to an earlier post on 25 May 2013 09:11:52 BDT
Heretic says:
C. A. Small says: "Is it time to stop tolerating these religious lunatics?"

I'm not sure that you can get rid of religious lunatics until you get rid of the religious moderates.

:->>

SWH

Posted on 25 May 2013 12:20:40 BDT
Bellatori says:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22664835

Sadly, if they pew sit, what do they expect? The muslim community needs to be proactive in this matter.

I went to Grainger Market just now. You can hardly move for police. Apparently the EDL is going to be out in force. A week ago that would be tattoed no-neck and his younger brother but this week who knows? I found this out from a young policewoman who looked heartily fed up at being dragged on duty from a day off for a bunch of neo fascists. She has my sympathy.

Posted on 25 May 2013 12:50:15 BDT
C. A. Small says:
Our traditional tolerance is becoming a joke. The hardline muslims have no respect for women, democracy and this country. To allow the hate preachers to continue teaching in mosques is farcical, to put them on tv is stupidity. Maybe we need to look a lot closer at the mosques and what is going on in them, as the undercover tv documentary did at the Regents Park mosque a couple of years ago.

If these clowns wish to live in a muslim country we should send them to one on a permanent basis.

In reply to an earlier post on 25 May 2013 13:10:35 BDT
Bellatori says:
Never going to happen....

Worst case scenario... the slow islamisation of the country...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22653173

In reply to an earlier post on 25 May 2013 13:14:51 BDT
C. A. Small says:
So the English civil war might have a part two?

If anyone ever gives this vile religion precedence or tries incorporating any tenet of sharia law into the legal system, I will happily join the barricades.

Our hard one freedoms must not be damaged by this stupidity.

In reply to an earlier post on 25 May 2013 13:43:45 BDT
Last edited by the author on 25 May 2013 13:44:26 BDT
MC Zaptone says:
Like Christianity, Islam is not a vile religion per se, it's just that some of its adherents like to act in bigoted, mindless ways and hide behind religious dogma that has ALWAYS been skewed to suit their particular cowardliness.

Posted on 25 May 2013 16:09:51 BDT
Spin says:
Ban Freedom of speech and conscience just as the Islamic extremists, Nazis and totalitarian communists do? What then differentiates us from them? Why join them instead of fighting them? Or is opposition to an ideology valid only through armed physical conflict rather than through actual ideology and lifestyle?

Posted on 25 May 2013 17:03:22 BDT
Garscadden says:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22640614 was interesting.

Personally I'd kick out drunk drivers first. And road users who jump traffic lights (cyclists included, and I say that as a cyclist).

I'd suspect there's as good a case that buy to let house owners are as big a threat to our civic culture as radical islamists.

I'd rather think about not having Bishops in the House of Lords. I'd rather consider treating all extreme groups as a threat, and seriously tackling them all - the BNP, radical preachers of all persuasions. I'd ban public religion, street preachers for example, or Hare Krishna devotees.

I think all political and religious extremists should all be dealt with, but there are plenty of things which I think are a greater threat to life limb and British culture.

In reply to an earlier post on 25 May 2013 18:21:01 BDT
Heretic says:
Garscadden says: "And road users who jump traffic lights (cyclists included, and I say that as a cyclist)."

This is a pet hate of mine also (I also cycle a great deal [for past 50 years]), but what is far worse is adult cyclists riding on the pavement which I stopped doing when I was 5.

SWH

In reply to an earlier post on 25 May 2013 18:38:44 BDT
C. A. Small says:
Yes it is. It is misogynistic, homophobic, preaches ignorance as a virtue and denies science. It is a menace, and the sooner it goes the better.

In reply to an earlier post on 25 May 2013 18:46:04 BDT
Garscadden says:
I rarely see people cycling on pavements nowadays. I have to admit i very slowly freewheeled down a pavement for about 50m a few days ago, the road was closed, and there was literally no one around. Normally I would have got off and walked my bike, but with no one there...

I still feel bad about doing that now.

In reply to an earlier post on 25 May 2013 19:05:22 BDT
kraka says:
Clive,....Do you suppose the English have an unsullied reputation in the past for our conduct in other peoples countries?

In reply to an earlier post on 25 May 2013 19:11:55 BDT
Last edited by the author on 25 May 2013 19:12:20 BDT
Bellatori says:
HI kraka... nice to see you... hope you are well.

No one is perfect but both the RCC and Islam seem to have the same problem they don't want to admit there is a problem. I have described this in terms of pew sitting. In their hearts they know that they should do something but in the end they do a three wise monkeys. Not good enough. It is complacent. We hear a lot of talk the talk from both but never walk the walk. UNless they are prepared to put the priests and imams to public review and throw out and denounce those who would demean their religion then their religion is nothing but a sham and a front.

It is not enough under these circumstances to mouth platitudes.

Warmest regards as always
Jo

In reply to an earlier post on 25 May 2013 19:49:38 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 25 May 2013 20:12:27 BDT
Bellatori says:
Really? some detail would be good here...

In reply to an earlier post on 25 May 2013 21:10:34 BDT
richard says:
in the end, moderate belief allows extremist views to be proposed.

In reply to an earlier post on 25 May 2013 23:58:56 BDT
MC Zaptone says:
C. A. Small said
Yes it is. It is misogynistic, homophobic, preaches ignorance as a virtue and denies science. It is a menace, and the sooner it goes the better.

Are you talking about Islam or Christianity?
Actually it doesn't matter, it applies to both in equal measure.

Posted on 26 May 2013 00:30:46 BDT
TheFoe says:
I used to ride everywhere on the pavement. If I came across a pedestrian, I'd get off and walk until they'd gone past. I don't recall this ever being a problem until a copper disagreed. The fact of the matter is roads, (in particular volume of traffic), these days are not designed for cyclists. Cyclists should be allowed to ride on pavements provided they display a certain type of etiquette towards pedestrians. I would not feel safe riding a pushbike on the main road in 2013.

Posted on 26 May 2013 00:57:03 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 26 May 2013 01:08:59 BDT
C. A. Small says:
In what way?

In reply to an earlier post on 26 May 2013 01:09:26 BDT
C. A. Small says:
Agreed.

Posted on 26 May 2013 01:10:12 BDT
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