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Initial post: 11 Jan 2014 23:33:38 GMT
Last edited by the author on 11 Jan 2014 23:48:10 GMT
Joe. C says:
I think it's fair to assume there is almost certainly other life in the universe and possibly maybe even likely, other intelligent life forms, maybe a small number are capable of interstellar travel...

The likelihood, granting all of the above, that they have actually found us after wanting to or even existing in the same tiny fraction of time we have, is so infinitesimally small, it's not even worth talking about, unless it is proven without doubt. (A little bit like religion really. And yes that is a dig at U.F.O nuts.)

But I am asking you imagine all of the above has happened and we are being observed by a species that would consider us, what we consider ants to be. (a lower class or less developed form of life).

We would come across as exactly what we are, a species at the very dawn of technological intelligence. Perhaps we would even come across as an obscurely ancient version of themselves...
Who still fear death (or perhaps haven't solved it?) and still personify there own existence into an eternal fantasy as a result. They are still territorial, alongside conflicting beliefs in how to run country's and in various deity's. With an increasingly efficient capacity to kill one another, their future is still in a balance....
There are some on the right path, simply studying reality. How their gained knowledge is used alongside their disputes, will determine whether their future will take them forward or backwards in terms of progression.
Our various notions of personal god's would be laughable! I suspect deism would as well...

I would like to ask, to any believers in faith that the universe was made for man... How do you fit other life, alongside the billions of other planets in the universe into your beliefs? It all seems very odd in a universe made for a single species!

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jan 2014 04:57:44 GMT
richard says:
and there was i thinking an alien had joined the forum! there's someone here i was going to say you just had to meet as you've been accused of all sorts. never mind.

oh they'd probably say the aliens were the lost eleven tribes or something. it would be an interesting situation for aliens to visit and tell the world that they seeded the earth and were responsible for kick starting evolution. no doubt some religious people would just cry blasphemy whilst others would desperately search for ways to incorporate this into their religion.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jan 2014 09:39:00 GMT
Joe. C says: "I think it's fair to assume..." Isn't that how we all start!

If they think we are ants they would probably give us the equivalent of a dusting with DDT powder. If they think we are aboriginal then they would probably come and do the missionary thing on us much to our detriment also as we have done in the past.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jan 2014 13:00:53 GMT
AJ Murray says:
Hi Joe,

-"But I am asking you imagine all of the above has happened and we are being observed by a species that would consider us, what we consider ants to be. (a lower class or less developed form of life)."

They might not even consider us sentient life at all. Imagine some advanced hive species that communicates using complex pheromones, they might view our society as dumb automatons.

'Kirrk'k, go harvest more meatsacks.'

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jan 2014 16:23:06 GMT
Joe. C says:
haha, "and there was i thinking an alien had joined the forum! there's someone here i was going to say you just had to meet as you've been accused of all sorts. never mind." Dare I ask who?

"it would be an interesting situation for aliens to visit and tell the world that they seeded the earth and were responsible for kick starting evolution."

It would be very interesting but the down side would be ancient alien theorists would love it! And that would just be awful! I think Scientologists too...
I agree with what you say the religious response would be though. Although I think just a vastly more intelligent species than our own showing up, would be enough to get the same response without them having kick started evolution, which would still have had to have kick started itself at some point...

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jan 2014 16:35:59 GMT
Last edited by the author on 12 Jan 2014 16:54:33 GMT
Joe. C says:
I think it is a fair assumption considering the immense estimated number of galaxies, stars and planets in the known universe and knowing it has happened here.

"If they think we are ants they would probably give us the equivalent of a dusting with DDT powder."

lol. In this hypothetical scenario, I am asking you to imagine they are just observing our behavior and imagine how they would perceive our various notions of personal gods.
Being capable of interstellar travel and picking out the dawn of a technologically intelligent species to within a couple of centuries, (less with noticeable signs at a distance). Destroying earth let alone humanity would probably take less effort than breaking wind...

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jan 2014 16:51:31 GMT
Joe. C says:
Hi AJ,

"They might not even consider us sentient life at all. Imagine some advanced hive species that communicates using complex pheromones, they might view our society as dumb automatons."

A really interesting and thought provoking point, we would certainly appear to be very primitive, perhaps even too primitive to actually make the point i'm trying to get across...
I do believe as long as we continue to move forward with scientific progression. Eventually we are destined to take to the stars, if an environmental disaster doesn't force it to happen curiosity will...

"'Kirrk'k, go harvest more meatsacks.'"
lol :-D

Posted on 12 Jan 2014 19:54:22 GMT
Charlieost says:
My concern would be aliens with their own fruitcake religious ideas and holy books encouraging us to join yet another "true" faith.

We could all end up worshipping Zorg, (bless his mutifareous tentacles) or facing his wrath.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jan 2014 20:15:45 GMT
Mrs. F. Shaw says:
I'm a card-carrying Pastafarian and a Dudeist, from the Church of the Latter Day Dude. I spent the whole day in my pyjamas. (I'm not well to be fair) :)

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jan 2014 20:31:16 GMT
Norm Deplume says:
Mrs Shaw,

"I'm a card-carrying Pastafarian"

Which type of pasta? Spaghetti, lasagne, rigatoni, tagliatelli, ... some other?

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jan 2014 20:33:11 GMT
Man flu? It does have cross gender capabilities. It just occurred to me that may set Bladders, Cyril, and ET of.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jan 2014 20:38:43 GMT
Mrs. F. Shaw says:
I'm a member of the Linguine sect. We believe in the Immaculate Deception of pasta and absolutely despise the heretics of the Canneloni sect. Sometimes at meetings, feelings run high and violence ensues which can sometimes result in a Pasta Salad.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jan 2014 20:41:00 GMT
Mrs. F. Shaw says:
I do not have 'man' flu not being a man. It is not a flu or cold type thing in any case. I had to have a biopsy which left me feeling like I was hit by a bus. This growing old business is for the birds, I can tell you. I'll be ok in a day or two. :)

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jan 2014 20:50:01 GMT
Norm Deplume says:
Heretic! You will be boiled beyond al dente.

(No one expects the Spirali Inquisition).

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jan 2014 20:53:16 GMT
Mrs. F. Shaw says:
Lol! Fantastic Norm :)

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jan 2014 22:07:34 GMT
Well best wishes for a speedy recovery. I'm glad it's not as serious as man flu at least.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jan 2014 22:08:41 GMT
richard says:
Joe,

Who! our resident Alien conspiracy expert.

wouldn't it be just our luck for an alien species to find us and bring yet another religion to add to the pot! oh i just had a nightmare thought that they'd be some intergalactic JW type missionaries. noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Posted on 13 Jan 2014 14:26:32 GMT
Garscadden says:
What if they not only had religion, but proof of a god? One completely incompatible with our major religions...

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jan 2014 14:50:27 GMT
Norm Deplume says:
I remember a science fiction short story about aliens who have absolute proof of an immortal soul. Human beings are delighted until the aliens tell then humans don't have them. I can't remember the title or author, unfortunately.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jan 2014 18:07:35 GMT
Could not track it down though it sounds familiar to me however the following article is simply bizarre

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2010/sep/17/pope-astronomer-baptise-aliens

What is really funny is that he probably already has but just does not know it!!

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jan 2014 20:14:13 GMT
AJ Murray says:
-"A really interesting and thought provoking point, we would certainly appear to be very primitive, perhaps even too primitive to actually make the point i'm trying to get across..."

We have enough trouble recognising other forms of sentient life and this on a planet were we evolved alongside. It's only recently that we recognised that we're all one species. So if we look at what may evolve on another planet, it may not communicate through the senses that we use. If sound and sight were replaced with thermosense and scent, much of our culture becomes simply invisible.

-"I do believe as long as we continue to move forward with scientific progression. Eventually we are destined to take to the stars, if an environmental disaster doesn't force it to happen curiosity will..."

I'm hopeful, but it may be some time before the demand for resources begins to make large scale space habitation viable and commonplace.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jan 2014 20:27:49 GMT
AJ Murray says:
Hi Charlieost,

-"My concern would be aliens with their own fruitcake religious ideas and holy books encouraging us to join yet another "true" faith."

We don't have to look far to find religions that declare their happy band to be created in the image of their deity and asserting dominion over all lesser forms. An ultra-orthodox religious hegemony armed with a similar ideology wouldn't bode well for us.

-"We could all end up worshipping Zorg, (bless his mutifareous tentacles) or facing his wrath."

A more advanced civilisation means they're unlikely to be swayed our more primitive superstitions and a nice round of forced conversions "for our own good" begins to unfold. There's precedent. Think how missionaries and colonists considered the local religions as being quaintly misguided and heathen.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jan 2014 20:36:45 GMT
AJ Murray says:
-"What if they not only had religion, but proof of a god? One completely incompatible with our major religions..."

I can imagine they'll have plenty of converts from atheism and from the more rational factions of the various religions, but i foresee some resistance from the "devout". But don't worry about them, they're already well versed in filtering out the aspects of reality that they find inconvenient.

Posted on 13 Jan 2014 21:33:41 GMT
Stu says:
Joe C we have some crackpots on this forum, but you have joined in at the top and with the worst of them, you are not bradders brother by any chance are you?

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Jan 2014 00:09:06 GMT
Anita says:
Then everybody would convert to scientology..... arrgh! Have I really said that?
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