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Has Freemasonry got a dark side??


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Initial post: 1 Feb 2014 20:22:19 GMT
Adam Jackson says:
Similiar to my Illuminati post, these have had some airtime on History Channel of late; this stuff fascinates me, I can recall at my cousin's wedding a few years ago ending up in a conversation with the pastor who performed the service and for some reason he mentioned that freemasonry was evil - I thought nothing of it at the time (im agnostic and was far more interested in the free beer at the time) but since then ive read up on all this New World Order/Illuminati/Bilderberg/Bohemian Grove stuff and it makes you think; is it just cr*p or are they're really hidden agendas??

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Feb 2014 20:30:54 GMT
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Heretic says:
Have the Freemasons got a light side?

Heretic

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Feb 2014 21:30:46 GMT
Stu says:
Well Adam,years ago there was always a dark side to the freemasons, had not heard about them for ages until our new poster named freemason popped up and made me start thinking again about there secret handshakes etc. you have to be invited/appointed to join them you can't just join them, so only certain people with so much money or power are invited to join.

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Feb 2014 21:52:33 GMT
Heretic says:
My Father was in something called The Buffs ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Antediluvian_Order_of_Buffaloes ) and believe me he was neither rich or influential although he had been a Warrant Officer in the RAF. My father managed to get the local lodge to raise money only for local charities and after he died they renamed their trust that handled the money after him.

My father was not a particularly religious man, although he did believe in god and hated the churches, but he was a man of integrity. I didn't have a great to do with after I was 15 as I had brought shame on the family but I did hear that before he died he was proud of whom I had become.

I don't know a great deal about Freemasons but if they're anything like the Buffs then I suspect that most of their bad publicity came as a result of being a competitor for 'souls' and 'cash' to the church.

Just because my Father was a man of integrity does not mean he was always right.

Heretic

Posted on 1 Feb 2014 21:58:22 GMT
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The funny thing about conspiracy theories is how, with one breath, they tell how stupid politicians/the Church/Freemasons etc. are, and then tell you how the same people also micromanage a global organised conspiracy in another.

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Feb 2014 22:06:28 GMT
Heretic says:
The thing is that the reason there are so many conspiracy theories is to hide the fact that one of them is actually true.

:->>

Heretic

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Feb 2014 22:16:45 GMT
richard says:
Well the Freemasons are a very widely dispersed organisation with lodges all over the place and although some lodges are unquestionably elitist others are quite ordinary. so for some you would need to be both rich and a somebody whereas for others you only need a modest income and a willingness to donate some of it for their charity work. i think it's very much a boys club playing at being grown up scouts but no doubt in the more elitist lodges there are many deals and favors made. i tend to think that they once had more power than they do today.

Posted on 1 Feb 2014 22:32:12 GMT
I've known Freemasons. The women, by and large, are put-upon and harassed; the men self important and boring.

Forgive me, but terms like 'evil' seem a bit grand and elevating when applied to them.

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Feb 2014 22:45:31 GMT
Maybe we should remember this Ryan: Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil (Penguin Twentieth Century Classics)

Posted on 1 Feb 2014 22:52:46 GMT
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No 'we' involved: I already know the work of Hannah Arendt and comparing Freemasons to Nazis only emphasises my point.

It should not be forgotten, either, that a lot of Freemasons perished as a result of Nazi tyranny. Hitler repeatedly conflated Jews and Freemasonry in his speeches, much as Bradbury conflates not being a BNP nutjob with being a communist.

Posted on 1 Feb 2014 23:53:01 GMT
Roma says:
The control the Freemasons had here in the West of Scotland has thankfully diminished considerably. I do remember the injustices within society when the Shipyards and the Police, in particular, were very much controlled by the Freemasons. I personally know of many business contracts lost, or promotions denied on the basis of a handshake. It has always seemed to me a very self serving organisation whose symbolic rituals would, if not for the power behind them, seem quite ridiculous. I know that they do involve themselves in charity work but, forgive the cynicism, I think such altruism is merely intended to mitigate its egotism. In it origins, freemasonry was laudable in trying to secure a fair wage for its members, but eventually became corrupted.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Feb 2014 09:02:11 GMT
Hi Ryan,

No, I wasn't comparing freemasonry to Nazism. Nor was I conflating the two in an irresponsible manner.

I was making the point that evil is not always, as you put it 'a bit grand and elevating' but is, as Arendt put it 'banal.' Eichmann, as you will know, was not Mephistophelean but, again, as you put it 'self important and boring.'

Posted on 2 Feb 2014 09:37:49 GMT
I have a somewhat prejudiced view of the masons. My father was a very clever man. He left school at 17 to join up and ended the war working on radar. He ended up working for what was then the Standard Bank of South Africa (now part of Standard Chartered) and rose to become a guru in Estate Duty and Tax planning. He did tax work for Lord Barber (Chairman of SC) and thus came to know (of) John Major (whose claim to banking knowledge as Chancellor and PM was that he worked for SC. What he never used to say was that, on those occasions when he turned up to flunky Lord B, he was technically in charge of the pamphlet department!). He was considered an authority in his area and wrote articles for a national tax journal under the name 'fundi' (Swahili for mechanic or technician!). As you may imagine it meant he was widely known in banking circles.

He was approached to join the 'Red' lodge - a group limited to 100 members so I believe. To cut a long story short, he left after a number of years and shortly before he died he explained to me that the lodge contained only three groups of people... legal profession (Judges, Lawyers, Senior police), Bankers and ... well I will leave you to guess what the third group was.

He left because it became clear to him that, as an expert in offshore banking, he was being expected to help arrange for transfers of money of dubious provenance from haven to haven to maximise its yield.

Worked out who the third group were? Probably hard nowadays to distinguish them from some of the first two!

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Feb 2014 10:07:57 GMT
Haswell says:
As an ex- mason I have to say that a lot of people are getting too worked up over Masonic rituals and aims.

I would best describe it as Amateur Dramatics meets the Boy Scouts. It is no place for grown-ups.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Feb 2014 10:35:42 GMT
I agree with you Roma. There are other organisations who do charitable works but which are much more open about their membership, like the Lions or the Rotary clubs here in England. I don't know what exists in Scotland.

Caroline

Posted on 2 Feb 2014 10:56:55 GMT
I'm a Mason,but not a Mason.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Feb 2014 12:28:21 GMT
Haswell says: "..."

That may be true... the rituals are quite laughable. When my father died I read 'the book' which struck me as really extremely funny and I agree with your comments about those and the rituals. However, the incestuous self advancement and the repeated examples where insider dealing has gone on suggests that there is a hardened core of quite corrupt behaviour that this 'secret' society encompasses.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Feb 2014 18:51:09 GMT
Heretic says:
Michael J. Mason says: "I'm a Mason,but not a Mason."

Perhaps you're really a Manson!

:->>

Heretic

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Feb 2014 19:01:47 GMT
Stu says:
First time in a while Heretic the little fingers deleted my post to him just about 10mins ago,lol.

Posted on 2 Feb 2014 19:16:24 GMT
easytiger says:
They are an outfit devised to propagate benefits to those who are members. They are rife in the oil and gas, construction industry and mining. Not malevolent, but if you haven't got the funny handshake ( I've experienced it a lot) doors close. My father, now retired, was quite famous for his opposition to to freemasonry in the construction world on the grounds that he found it unfair.He made it on his own despite leaving school at 13. One one hand it's a brotherhood for likeminded people who, for example if one is in trouble routes can be found to ease the situation.

Posted on 2 Feb 2014 22:48:43 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 3 Feb 2014 00:02:52 GMT
richard says:
is that after little bo peep has lost her sheep? must be the Welsh lodge.

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Drew Jones says:
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Posted on 3 Feb 2014 07:57:05 GMT
Bradbury returns. Should have recognised the smell of failure.
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