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Initial post: 27 Dec 2011 01:53:41 GMT
kraka says:
Hi Everyone, Greetings.

I have a proposition for your consideration, it is this. In the short time that I have posted on this forum, I have enjoyed the "free for all" nature of the posting but have on many occassions encountered posters who have raised my interest in what they have written and felt that a deeper enquiry into their post is not adequately served in a free for all situation and sometimes felt that a quiet space free of everyone else chipping in might be something that other posters might appreciate. Whilst it would in no way undermine all the other threads as they stand, it might add a new dynamic to the forum, after all we are not limited by space. It could be used as a "one to one" basis where two posters can explore topics perhaps more fully away from the maddening crowd. Of course their posts are not private and can be read freely by anyone but to work it would need to be respected as a space set aside soley for this purpose. In a sense we have between us all created an on line community and are sharing something of our lives with each other already this i feel might take it to the next level (if such exists).

Thinking about it i can see potential for a number of possabilities, posters of opposing views wishing to debate things more fully or discuss more loosely with the aim of a better understading of each other as people, even becoming internet friends. It would be a fine achievement if it broke down barriers between say athiests and theists where friction has occurred, after all we are all human beings how can we allow just a small difference in a belief divide us. Posters of a scientifc persuasion may wish to discuss the latest developments with each other. Other posters may concieve other possibilities.

I personally have only limited experience on this forum and don't know if it would work so If you consder it would be a desireable venture worth exploring, or not, maybe you would care to leave your views here including ideas, comments or suggestions. It might be a good idea if you stated the following:-

A, if you approve/disaprove of the venture.

b. If adopted are you aggreeable to use it for that purpose only.

C. Maybe you would suggest a thread title, eg, "THE LOUNGE"

D, Comments etc

Posted on 27 Dec 2011 09:04:34 GMT
Withnail says:
D - these sort of things happen organically. Do you have a particular issue you wanted to see discussed in this way?

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Dec 2011 12:40:15 GMT
I'm sure it could work if only theists would refrain from demonstrating their ignorance on both non-theological and theological matters. LOL

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Dec 2011 16:03:09 GMT
kraka says:
Withnail, hi

greetings thanks for your response, right now at this moment I don't have a particular issue but I have on previous occassions thought it would serve a purpose. Do you think it could?


In reply to an earlier post on 27 Dec 2011 16:13:56 GMT
kraka says:
Philip Duerdoth, hi

greetings phil and thanks for your post. I think that is a very valid point, which highlights one of my own thoughts. that these kind of issues could possible be resolved on a separate thread. A space where, without interuption you could discuss with theists these kind of concerns, which in the combat zone never get calmly discussed to any real resolution.

thanks kraka.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Dec 2011 22:00:40 GMT
Last edited by the author on 27 Dec 2011 22:17:29 GMT
gille liath says:
A. My experience, reinforced only recently on Pumpkin Head, is that it's very difficult to set aside a thread for a particular kind of discussion. Certain participants will always wade in if they feel like it, however inappropriate their contributions may be. The only ways to mitigate this are, a) to avoid the topics that cause reversion to type on most threads, b) to ignore, or at least refuse to rise to, objectionable posts; to be willing to let things go and not insist on having the last word.

I also agree with Mik that suggesting such a thread is a little like saying 'shall we have a conversation?' About what?

B. See above.

C. Personally I often prefer the vault or snug: it depends on the pub.

D. Good luck.

Posted on 27 Dec 2011 22:08:51 GMT
nephran says:
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Posted on 27 Dec 2011 22:19:34 GMT
Spin says:
If threads were set aside for one-to-one discussions then surely we would end up with hundreds of thousands of threads addressing no more than personal interests. I do not think Amazon forums should be used as personal e-mail sites. And, lastly, I believe the alternative views of many others, whether they agree with one or not, whether they are relevent or not, are valuable in progressing not only the discussion, but ones own thoughts and reasoning on a subject (since no subject can be discussed in isolation from other issues and subjects).

Posted on 27 Dec 2011 22:24:24 GMT
gille liath says:

Posted on 27 Dec 2011 22:27:53 GMT
Spin says:
It seems that this thread is becoming a discussion about the value of "personal threads", which is already nullifying the point of its introduction...=)

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Dec 2011 22:42:29 GMT
kraka says:
gille liath, Hi

Greetings and many thanks for passing on the wisdom of your experience I'm full of appreciation.

Posted on 28 Dec 2011 12:13:08 GMT
nephran says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 28 Dec 2011 12:22:44 GMT
Last edited by the author on 28 Dec 2011 16:58:50 GMT
Sombrio says:

I think that your idea of creating "A space where, without interuption you could discuss with theists these kind of concerns, which in the combat zone never get calmly discussed to any real resolution",.... is a suggestion which scores high in 'idealism', but low in 'reality', for two reasons :

(1) When you've been part of this forum long enough you start to see the patterns that make up what happens here. And one of the first realisations is that VERY few of the discussions here are about 'resolution'. They're only fun and continue to 'live' for exactly as long as there is an active argument, with two opposing sides, neither of which is willing to give in or concede a point. This place is simply a verbal battleground between men standing on soapboxes.

I think it's a mistake to consider that this is an error which would be better corrected. Argument is, in fact,.... the 'raison d'etre' for this forum.

(2) Theists, without their opposite number, (atheists),... would have nothing whatsoever to discuss. The whole place would quickly collapse in on itself after a few desultory rounds of " I think you're OK", followed by, "Thanks. I think you're OK too "

Moreover, I haven't yet seen a shred of difference between theists and atheists with regards to their argumentativeness or willingness to seriously consider the other's point of view. They're two sides of the same coin. Without either, this forum would be bankrupt.


I suggest you just sit back and watch the firework display. Like Bonfire Night,... the fun of fireworks is actually to do with having no control, and simply sitting back and watching it go on. Just contribute the odd banger or Roman Candle to the pyrotechnics yourself whenever the mood strikes you.

This place very much has a life of its own. And like fireworks, most of it is merely a lot of noise with very little meaning

Nevertheless, virtually every culture has a love of fireworks. Their colourful and noisy, (but essentially harmless) entertainment must fulfill a basic need within all of us. You can't fight human nature,... just slip on your trainers and join the race

Posted on 28 Dec 2011 14:45:22 GMT
Jim Guest says:
'Of course their posts are not private'

Of course they bloody are. What kraka wants is somewhere to propagandise without inconvenient iconoclastic interference.

Posted on 28 Dec 2011 14:51:52 GMT
Withnail says:
"iconoclastic interference" - is that your purpose Jim?

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Dec 2011 14:55:42 GMT
Jim Guest says:
I sure got my work cut out, if so.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Dec 2011 17:04:53 GMT
kraka says:
Sombrio, Hi

welcome and thanks for your post. Your of coarse absolutely right in your appraisal, I had started to realise that after posting and wished in a way that I could have erased the thread as an error. It was as you say a bit too idealistic to be practically applied. It's a case of famous last words, "It seemed a good idear at the time". Once again Sombrio, thanks...........kraka

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Dec 2011 18:11:14 GMT
Last edited by the author on 28 Dec 2011 18:12:38 GMT
Sombrio says:
Hi Kraka,

I don't think what you wrote was a 'waste of time' at all. The way I look at it, the greatest virtue of this place is that it allows every person to just be themself. Everyone equally has a voice. The internet is a truly amazing 'leveller'.

What each one of us does with this freedom is where the interest lies, For myself, I find that I'm most attracted to people who give something of themself , their interests, their life itself, in their posts rather than just trotting out various dogmas from whatever dry philosophical beliefs they happen to be attracted to. Without the person,.... all these beliefs feel as dead and dry as the desert sand to me.

But you always come through clearly and 'livingly' in your posts, so that whether I find myself in agreement or not with whatever you happen to be saying,... has no particular importance for me at all.

So, please do carry on 'Krakin',.... without regrets !

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Dec 2011 19:25:36 GMT
gille liath says:
Isn't that how all the forum trolls see themselves?

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Dec 2011 20:26:24 GMT
kraka says:
Sombrio, Hi

welcome, once again my friend thank you especially for your usual perceptive insights and kindly words which are very welcome and does make your voice on the forum unique. Gradually as I get more familiar with this technology (it's a long learning curve) and more experienced with posting the more at ease I am with it. Still make stupid mistakes though. like you I find that now I surf the threads and post as and where it takes my interest and am now avoiding much of it. Strangely I don't get the flack that I used to, I see a lot of it still occurring though and momentarily it saddens me to see it. I have found that life is quite a gas if you keep relationships with our fellow creatures on good terms, humour and kindness is a pleasure, insults tend to drag ones spirits down on both sides of the harsh words. i must at times sound like a right naive idealist.

Thats so true the internet is a leveller which makes it a bit odd it's like talking to newsprint and hides the personality behind the words. I miss that and create in my mind the type of personality I think I'm talking to, doesn't allways work, I get suprised sometimes. The one thing I havn't worked out yet is why does it become addictive. I am not a lonely person, I have a wife, family, friends, and acqaintances, even the sauna I attend we converse and debate, so I do not lack for company or conversation and yet I really look foreward and enjoy this artificial, substandard mode of interaction. And I havn't yet sussed WHY? whats the fascination that is so attractive that I struggle to master all this technology (i still have yet to make friends with this keyboard) when I am close to people that I can just turn to and talk too. At the moment I console myself that this lunacy is a result of trying to master the challenge of new technology, I suppose time will tell.

well my friend take good care,..untill next time......kraka

Posted on 28 Dec 2011 21:57:02 GMT
nephran says:
Kraka and thems Sombrio...Youses got its right..Youses thems two have been having thems private discussions...IT THEMS WORKS!!!

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Dec 2011 22:16:12 GMT
Last edited by the author on 28 Dec 2011 22:21:53 GMT
Sombrio says:
Little Meesed Up,

Are you for real ? Or is this ridiculous jargon your idea of a joke that you can chortle sillently away to yourself about at your keyboard ?

On the off chance that your question perhaps has some genuine curiosity behind it, Kraka and I have actually never exchanged more than two or three lines together off this forum. It was a dumb idea that just didn't work in real life.

But like many such brainstorms,... it sounded like a good idea at the time.

So, one sucks them, and sees. That's how we learn.

Posted on 28 Dec 2011 22:19:34 GMT
nephran says:
Meses still thems sucking....

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Dec 2011 22:49:32 GMT
Last edited by the author on 28 Dec 2011 22:57:13 GMT
Sombrio says:

You've raised yet another thought-provoking question. I really found myself intrigued by what you wrote :

"The one thing I havn't worked out yet is why does it become addictive. I am not a lonely person, I have a wife, family, friends, and acqaintances; even at the sauna I attend we converse and debate. So I do not lack for company or conversation. Yet I really look forward to and enjoy this artificial, substandard mode of interaction. And I haven't yet sussed, "WHY ?"


You know, of the most satisfactory answers that I've been able to satisfy myself with actually came from a poster on a different thread here,...Nick. Here's what he had to say about our 'addiction' :

"To offer a take on why we are here: we are social animals with more restricted communities; here in religion we like to explore deeper meaning that conventionality normally frowns upon, we like to formulate our views 'out loud' (in writings) sometimes through the lens of others views; it's a self-perpetuating cycle of investment. That is, the more time, ideas and personality we invest here, the harder it is to pull away. Even if it is ultimately superficial."

As for any additional ideas of my own, I think I would add that perhaps most of us who come here are pretty convinced of the correctness and value of our personal beliefs. This new phenomenon of the internet offers us all the irresistably enticing prospect of a technological 'soapbox and microphone',... which actually allows us to potentially broadcast to the ENTIRE WORLD !

(If, that is, anyone can be convinced to care less about what we have to say). But, as I said, I think perhaps posters here don't actually suffer from a lack of confidence in our beliefs. We have great trust that "truth and logic",... or perhaps, "God",... will always carry us through.

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Dec 2011 01:25:42 GMT
kraka says:
Sombrio, Hi.

welcome, This is my second attempt to reply the first shot off into cyberspace faster than lightning, this doesn't happen very often now but just as annoying when it does, "the mound of venus" i think its called, the bulge in the palm of the hand below the thumb has only to lightly touch the fingerpad in front of the keypad of my laptop and the post is gone and sometimes results in me finding i'm on a different thread. It's by far to sensitive I might see if a piece of card sellotaped over it might act as a preventative solution.

however, reading your post i think Ian is onto the answer the line,"it's a self-perpetuating cycle of investment" certainly has a ring of truth to it along with the rest of what he says and i realized that your additional thoughts seems to fit onto his like a glove. Between you both I believe an answer to my question has been found. cheers. At least now i know just where to bring all my unaswerable questions, hey, you don't happen to know mend my remote controlled bedsocks do you? Only kidding.

I was wanting to ask if you and your wife had a good and enjoyable christmas, i hope you did. Ours was quiet and very pleasant which at our age is what is desireable. my wife suffers with a neurological disorder and a peacefull enviroment where she is not challenged to much is favoured. Bless her.

Sombrio you take care untill our next chat, that means NO naughties they can be disasterous.

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