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Initial post: 19 Nov 2013 20:41:58 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 19 Nov 2013 20:50:11 GMT
Not certain. Just does not believe. A-theist...

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In reply to an earlier post on 19 Nov 2013 20:58:07 GMT
Atheism refers to lacking a specific belief and does not refer to the positive belief in something or certainty of something.

Now there may be some people who think they know for certain that there isn't a God, I don't know. But this is not what atheism means in and of itself.

In my view if someone were to assert certainty on this then it would be as arrogant as asserting knowledge (as opposed to faith) that there is a God and that I know what he wants. If this is what is meant by your reference to ego (and it is ambiguous) then to be an atheist, in and of itself, is not to assert in this way.

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Nov 2013 21:01:36 GMT
Nope...

Theists assert that God exists. They offer no evidence for this. Logic dictates that one therefore accepts the contrary null hypothesis that God does not exist. This is the atheist position.

see here for a fuller explanation
http://cuttingedge2.forumotion.co.uk/t897-why-the-you-cannot-prove-god-does-not-exist-argument-fails

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Nov 2013 21:03:09 GMT
Not wriggling. Just simple semantics.

A certainty of non-belief? What the f is that supposed to mean? That I'm certain I don't believe something?

Someone says 'do you believe your wife is having an affair?'

I say 'no.'

They say 'are you certain?'

I say ' well I can't be a hundred per cent, but I've no reason to think so.'

They say 'Ah, but you're certain you don't believe it, that is adopting a god-like stance.'

I say 'F off moron.'

Posted on 19 Nov 2013 21:10:11 GMT
Touché Tony.

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Nov 2013 21:12:14 GMT
Mrs. F. Shaw says:
No certainty. Just highly unlikely.

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Nov 2013 21:13:37 GMT
Mrs. F. Shaw says:
Can't be any different to theists who believe there is a god and think that this god takes a personal interest in their lives. If that's not a position of ego I don't know what is.

Posted on 20 Nov 2013 09:24:00 GMT
Bearman says:
"Religion is the brainchild of fear, and fear is the parent of cruelty. The greatest evils inflicted on humankind are perpetrated not by pleasure-seekers, self-seeking opportunists, or those who are merely amoral, but by fervent devotees of religion."

Emmanuel Kofi Mensah

Posted on 20 Nov 2013 13:52:20 GMT
Spin says:
Is God an "Atheist"? Surely God does not believe in the existence of a deity (other than himself?). Puts a new twist on Descartes' "cogito ergo sum" =)

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Nov 2013 14:41:54 GMT
G. Heron says:
TNF/GOMSY

I accept the possibility that there is a god but given the total lack of evidence to support the existence of god I must assume the existence of god is very unlikely and therefore I conduct my life on the basis that there is no god.

Posted on 20 Nov 2013 14:50:23 GMT
Withnail says:
There is no god, that is a statement of fact, not a statement of belief. If evidence is provided to the contrary I am happy to donate everything that I own to a charity of choice of the person that proves me wrong.

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Nov 2013 15:01:30 GMT
Spin says:
Withnail: if "evidence" is so valuable to your argument, what evidence do have that no deity of any kind exists? Have you an experience of this vast universe, its dimensions and quantum phenomena other than that based on your current physical and mental existence as a particular species, in this particular spacetime, on this particular planet?

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Nov 2013 15:04:51 GMT
Withnail says:
Spin, show your evidence and name the charity that you want me to donate to.

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Nov 2013 15:06:14 GMT
Spin says:
Withnail: My evidence for what?

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Nov 2013 15:06:19 GMT
Dan Fante says:
It's difficult to present evidence for something that doesn't exist.

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Nov 2013 15:10:55 GMT
Spin says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 20 Nov 2013 15:11:09 GMT
G. Heron says:
Dan Fante

"It's difficult to present evidence for something that doesn't exist. "

Good point, would someone accept as evidence for the non existence of the yeti a picture of a snow field with no footprints on it?

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Nov 2013 15:12:46 GMT
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Dan Fante says:
Rain exists even if it isn't raining in one particular place, so it's not really the same. Nice try though.

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Nov 2013 15:15:18 GMT
Withnail says:
Your evidence for the existence of god. If you don't have it, then that is fine. Maybe somebody else does.

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Nov 2013 15:16:16 GMT
Spin says:
G; In order to prove the non-existence of something one must have a clear, identifiable and definable concept of what it is that being referred to.

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Nov 2013 15:19:47 GMT
Withnail says:
But I am not looking for the evidence that god does not exist.

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Nov 2013 15:21:32 GMT
Spin says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 20 Nov 2013 15:22:09 GMT
Withnail says:
So, to be clear you are asking a person who doesn't believe in the existence of god what a god would be if it did exist??? Can you describe to me what a short tailed muff warbler is?
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