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As an atheist- I think this wonderful old building should be preserved and get the funding


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Initial post: 12 May 2013 16:02:53 BDT
C. A. Small says:
I think the funding should be given to preserve this beautiful building, but only on the proviso it is decommisioned first, so it becomes an historic monument and not a religious building.

Any other ideas?

In reply to an earlier post on 12 May 2013 18:13:35 BDT
Bellatori says:
I am presuming, as you seem to have forgotten to post a link, Clive, that you must be referring to Canterbury Cathedral which is threatening to close to the public because it did not get a lottery funding grant...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-22500071

In reply to an earlier post on 13 May 2013 08:43:43 BDT
C. A. Small says:
Ah, well spotted Jo. this was a test to see if anyone could work it out.

But yes indeed it is the wonderful old building of Canterbury cathedral.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 May 2013 11:46:11 BDT
G. Heron says:
C.A Small

As an atheist I agree, this building is part of out heritage and culture and should be preserved.

Posted on 13 May 2013 11:47:33 BDT
Ian says:
As another atheist, that seems fair enough to me; it would be a shame to lose a beautiful building.

In the past a condition of public funding for building repairs and renovations was that the building must be open to members of the public several times a year for free. That would mean any member of the public of any religious belief or gender. I can't imagine that would be a difficulty for the C of E, but it might for other religions looking for grants to repair, restore or improve their buildings.

Posted on 13 May 2013 11:57:26 BDT
Spin says:
Atheists defending the preservation of religious structures? Why is the religion which created such architecture not also considered a part of ones heritage and culture? Eradicate the religion but preserve the building? If so, then future generations will only be able to interpret the meaning and intent of the structure through written records instead of direct exposition to the belief that created such works of art. Without an active religion Canterbury will, in the future, be like Stonehenge and the pyramids; long abandoned structures with no practical value to modern society except as historical curiosities.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 May 2013 12:03:02 BDT
C. A. Small says:
Spin "Without an active religion Canterbury will, in the future, be like Stonehenge and the pyramids; long abandoned structures with no practical value to modern society except as historical curiosities. "

Good, and about time too.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 May 2013 12:11:25 BDT
Last edited by the author on 13 May 2013 12:13:36 BDT
Ian says:
Understanding and knowing about the religion may be considered to be part of our heritage and culture in much the same way that we know about and understand the reasons for bear-baiting, cock-fighting, witch-burning, etc. We don't choose to encourage or subsidise those activities any more than I would wish to promote or subsidise archaic belief systems.

EDIT: just thought of concentration camps in Poland, Germany, etc. Preserving them and understanding what happened there is definitely desirable so that "future generations will only be able to interpret the meaning and intent of the structure through written records instead of direct exposition to the belief that created such works".

In reply to an earlier post on 13 May 2013 12:24:29 BDT
Spin says:
IN: can you really compare todays Christianity with that of the past? If you do, you are very out of touch with modern Christianity. Secular government also committed atrocities in the past (and still does) but you do not demand the eradication of government. And unlike a concentration camp, a cathedral is preserved for its beauty, not to teach us of the horrors of Christianity. The preservation of a structure for aesthetic and historically appreciative reasons is very different from the preservation of a structure as an act of remembrance and warning. I doubt atheists want to preserve cathedrals in order to warn folk of the dangers of Christianity...

In reply to an earlier post on 13 May 2013 12:37:25 BDT
C. A. Small says:
In part, yes I do.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 May 2013 12:53:52 BDT
Spin says:
CA: I see. So you are selective in your condemnation of religion. You hate the religion but adore its contribution to aesthetic and cultural history, even though as an atheist you have no idea what the structure itself, in its architecture and art, professes to the observer. Every part of a church or cathedral has religious meaning; Every part. So you advocate the preservation physical expression of a religious belief while eliminating the religion itself... Are you not afraid that your plan to eliminate religion might be up[set by someone who takes such architecture as an inspiration towards the religion that created it? Do we not have "Pagans" who gather at Stonehenge at the Solstice? =)

In reply to an earlier post on 13 May 2013 12:59:40 BDT
C. A. Small says:
Spin- I appreciate the brilliant Junkers JU88, but totally condemn the Nazi regime. I like old buildings and history, yet feel no need to support the idiotic beliefs that were present at the time.

Religious beliefs are silly. End of.

I doubt the stone masons who built Canterbury cathedral had much interest in the religious aspect, more concerned with the wages.

Likewise the Sistine chapel ceiling, as I understand it Michaelangelo got paid before finishing it and ran off with the funds! He had to be "persuaded" to return and finish it.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 May 2013 13:11:56 BDT
Spin says:
CA; You say the stone masons who built the cathedrals had no "religious interest". Why are you applying your own mind-set to those of others? You have no knowledge of history, so why do seek to preserve its creations? The dispute between the Pope and Michaelangelo was a complex mixture of politics, religion and aesthetic taste, not money.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 May 2013 13:21:47 BDT
C. A. Small says:
He still legged it with the money.

How do you know I have "no knowledge of history"?

In reply to an earlier post on 13 May 2013 13:30:14 BDT
Spin says:
CA; Your comment about the art in the Sistine chapel gives me a pretty good indication of your appreciation of history.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 May 2013 13:37:05 BDT
C. A. Small says:
Really? Did Michaelangelo run off with the funds before finishing the ceiling. Yes or no?

In reply to an earlier post on 13 May 2013 13:39:26 BDT
Spin says:
CA: You think he was a thieving con-man? "Run off with the funds"...What a shallow phrase..

In reply to an earlier post on 13 May 2013 13:50:24 BDT
Last edited by the author on 13 May 2013 13:51:12 BDT
C. A. Small says:
was that a yes,no or do not know?

In reply to an earlier post on 13 May 2013 13:52:58 BDT
Spin says:
CA: I will leave it up to you to interpret it as you wish. That is, after all, your standard modus operandi.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 May 2013 13:55:00 BDT
C. A. Small says:
So you refuse to answer (yet again!).

In reply to an earlier post on 13 May 2013 14:04:25 BDT
Spin says:
CA; Grow up. The next thing you will tell me that you are an expert in the history of art, the church and the socio-psychological attributes of ancient Roman Catholicism...

In reply to an earlier post on 13 May 2013 14:07:27 BDT
C. A. Small says:
Spin- please stop trying to shift the argument (as usual)- answer the question.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 May 2013 14:14:43 BDT
Spin says:
CA: What question? The one you have not yet asked but exists in the intent of your posts? What am I, a mind-reader? =)

In reply to an earlier post on 13 May 2013 14:16:14 BDT
Pretty sure he means this question, wasn't that long ago...

"Did Michaelangelo run off with the funds before finishing the ceiling. Yes or no?"

Posted on 13 May 2013 14:19:13 BDT
C. A. Small says:
Spin it was posted at 13;37 today, but will repost it again as you seem to have memory issues (amongst other things)

Did Michaelangelo run off with the funds before finishing the ceiling. Yes or no?
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