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Initial post: 11 Feb 2014 21:23:14 GMT
Stu says:
Abortion is both legal, and needed when the feotus has died and putting the mothers life in danger, also when the mothers life is in danger due to the pregnancy,the parents have to make that heartbreaking decision to terminate the pregnancy to save the mothers life. Why do posters get so angry about feotal terminations overall as i've said it is legal.

In reply to an earlier post on 11 Feb 2014 21:27:40 GMT
Anita says:
There are a lot of legal things some people are angry about, Stu. Something legal doesn't mean everybody likes it. A lot of people would happily make abortions illegal (thus making another crowd angry, obviously)

In reply to an earlier post on 11 Feb 2014 21:32:36 GMT
Stu says:
Hi Anita so if the feotus put the mothers life at stake and there would be a chance of both mother and baby dying,what would you do?

In reply to an earlier post on 11 Feb 2014 21:36:54 GMT
Anita says:
That has been talked about a lot, I'm not sure I want back there.

I don't think there are many of those who'd oppose abortion if the mother's life is in danger. The vast majority oppose abortions without any restrictions. I think

In reply to an earlier post on 11 Feb 2014 21:42:16 GMT
Stu says:
There are the accidental pregnancies Anita where either the condom bursts or the pill does not work when the female is taking it?

In reply to an earlier post on 11 Feb 2014 21:50:59 GMT
The Tories, Labour and the Lib Dems. All apparently legal (apart from the odd expenses scandal etc...). All guaranteed to boil your p**s and provoke controversy.

Posted on 11 Feb 2014 22:02:01 GMT
A lot of control freaks out there, some of whom evidently think they have a divine mandate to make decisions for other people.

In reply to an earlier post on 11 Feb 2014 22:07:07 GMT
Stu says:
Exactly Ryan, I wonder why at times,as people have to live their lives who are we to go poking our noses in providing it does no-one any harm.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Feb 2014 09:42:38 GMT
Spin says:
Stu: Alcohol and tobacco are also legal even though they are detrimental to the health of the individual and the welfare of society. Internet pornography and extreme violence is legal but can have a detrimental effect on society and lead to crime and sexual deviancy. Industries and vehicles which pollute the environment are legal. All these legal activities threaten the life and health of present and future generations. Therefore, just because Abortion is legal does not mean it is in any way beneficial or that it contributes to the development of a "civilised" society...

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Feb 2014 11:08:14 GMT
Bearman says:
But unlike those other examples (some of which are debatable) it also doesn't mean that abortion is not beneficial or that it does not contribute to the development of a civilised society.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Feb 2014 11:15:38 GMT
Spin says:
Bear: How is Abortion, as a means of contraception, beneficial to the child, mother and society? How does it contribute to the intellectual and physical development of either the individual or society?

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Feb 2014 11:20:50 GMT
Dan Fante says:
First perhaps you should explain why you chose to insert the words 'as a means of contraception'.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Feb 2014 11:24:50 GMT
Stu says:
spin it is not always used as a form of contraception is it? as I said in my op when either the childs/feotals life is at stake or the mothers. Posters still cause a great stink up about it and there is also the cases of accidental pregnancy which I pointed out did I not?

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Feb 2014 11:25:15 GMT
Bearman says:
For the very reasons that the abortion is performed in the first place eg not making a pregnant woman go through the mental anguish of gestating and delivering a non-viable foetus, or one that if allowed to develop into a severely disabled child with a very poor quality of life that would not only suffer but also would be a major drain on both the parents and society's resources.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Feb 2014 11:40:15 GMT
Spin says:
Dan: as I have explained many times on these threads, I disagree with Abortion as a means of contraception. In cases where the mothers life is threatened or birth will result in unacceptable physical or mental suffering for the child, I can understand the decision to abort the child. But such cases are, thankfully, rare. Abortion is mostly used as a means of contraception; a last resort to maintain the lifestyle of the mother. (and, before you ask, no, I do not agree with abortion in cases of rape or where the mother is unable to care for the child because of her mental or physical illness or disbility. If the child is healthy it has a Right to life).

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Feb 2014 11:51:43 GMT
Spin says:
Stu: Abotion is legal form of contracepetion, like the Pill and condoms. It was made legal only because too many women were made disabled or died because of so-called "back street abortions" (we are familiar with the horrific tales of wire coat-hangers). Hence the argument that Abortion MUST be legal, despite the moral and ethical questions it raises. But this argument fails to realise that in the days of back street abortions there was no aid or support for mothers. Some women simply could not afford, mentally or socially to have another child. The pill was not invented and condoms were barely used. In todays western ,modern world, in which the poll and condoms are freely available, and in some cases free of charge, there are very, very few families consisting of a dozen children and there is no reason for a woman not to take responsibility for her own body.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Feb 2014 11:53:52 GMT
Bearman says:
Spin says :" If the child is healthy it has a Right to life"

This is the nub of the problem - do you consider a sperm or egg to be a child or just from the point where the egg is fertilized, or the point where the blastocyst fuses with the wall of the uterus, or the point where it develops a nervous system or brain etc etc. Bearing in mind the fact that a piece of your dandruff theoretically could become a child through the use of cloning techniques, there is obviously a need to draw a line somewhere. Do you believe that your dandruff has a right to life? The current UK abortion limit (24 weeks?) was set as a time limit before which the foetus cannot survive on its own. This is a logical place to draw the line. The huge majority of abortions are performed well before this limit.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Feb 2014 11:53:56 GMT
Stu says:
spin can I ask what would happen if your wife got raped and became pregnant? would you expect her to have the rapists child? does your wife think the same way?

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Feb 2014 11:55:52 GMT
Bearman says:
The "morning after" pill prevents a fertilized egg from embedding/fusing with the lining of the uterus - do you consider that to be abortion or contraception?

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Feb 2014 12:00:11 GMT
Spin says:
Bear: I consider both the sperm and the egg to constitute "life". That is, the sperm and the egg are what we consider to be "Life". They contain genetic material and "behave" in a specific manner. They are by no means inanimate, "dead" material. A child is simply the development of this life. There is no "start" to life in the womb; it is a process not an entity.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Feb 2014 12:00:19 GMT
Stu says:
spin you say that a woman can take responsibility for her own body,but there are cases where the woman is allergic to the pill and it does not work but she does not realise this until it is too late. Also where taking the pill can damage the feotus.

Posted on 12 Feb 2014 12:07:02 GMT
Stu says:
no offence spin comparing you to CWB but the way you think on this front is the same as him and i'm not suprised that you have not got 11 children like him.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Feb 2014 12:10:27 GMT
Spin says:
Stu: My anger and desire for revenge would be aimed at the rapist, not a foetus. In cases where a wife is raped or has an affair resulting in pregnancy, it is usually the case that the relationship breaks up regardless of whether the woman has an abortion or not. It is the psychological trauma that influences decisions on physical matters. My wife would argue that it is the woman's decision as to whether to abort a child resulting from rape; a decision based, of course, on a number of complex factors and considerations...

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Feb 2014 12:11:41 GMT
Spin says:
Stu: If a woman is allergic to the pill, then she can demand her partner wear a condom or simply refrain from bumping uglies.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Feb 2014 12:12:45 GMT
Dan Fante says:
How is an affair analogous with rape?
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