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So Scotland is to allow Gay Marriage...The End of the Church of Scotland...?


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In reply to an earlier post on 4 Aug 2012 19:01:03 BDT
F Cadell says:
But atheists can sit on the fence. How clever they are!

In reply to an earlier post on 4 Aug 2012 23:16:42 BDT
Drew Jones says:
"Did you read any of these bits that show I'm not looking backwards to a world that no longer exists:"
A selection of posts does not make other posts disappear (especially when they still contain the thing element you deny!), you have appealed to tradition and it's a useless basis for morality.

Posted on 5 Aug 2012 14:56:02 BDT
Cadell, Cadell. Now you're not even trying.

It won't do.

Posted on 5 Aug 2012 21:28:41 BDT
athanasius says:
Any Christian who knows his faith would know that gay marriage being allowed is a direct attack on The Blessed Trinity.It is a travesty if it goes ahead.God help us

In reply to an earlier post on 5 Aug 2012 21:34:32 BDT
F Cadell says:
Oh no, I'm not denying that I value tradition.

But you can only think it's a useless basis for morality because you haven't realised that the live of people in the past and their experiences are not irrelevant to being human today?

Please let me know what this basis for morality should be. Let's see you trying, Drew.

Posted on 5 Aug 2012 21:41:12 BDT
Not even the great psychopath in the sky could mend your ways, A.

In reply to an earlier post on 5 Aug 2012 21:42:00 BDT
Drew Jones says:
Tradition no matter how you look at it is not what makes something socially beneficial or immoral. Sometimes the past is incapable of informing us on the ethical issues and problems we face today, sometimes they are relevant but and that can be positive or negative in ot's influence but the underlying factors will not be that something has been done for a period of time.

"Please let me know what this basis for morality should be. Let's see you trying, Drew.
Empathy. Let's see your church try it sometime!

In reply to an earlier post on 5 Aug 2012 21:42:57 BDT
F Cadell says:
That would be the Devil Ryan, who is God's enemy.

In reply to an earlier post on 5 Aug 2012 22:42:39 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 5 Aug 2012 22:48:53 BDT
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Drew Jones says:
Dishonesty noted. The correct quote is "SOMETIMES the past is incapable of informing us on the ethical issues and problems we face today".

Your paranoid conspiracy recommendations are wasted on me too.

In reply to an earlier post on 5 Aug 2012 22:54:51 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 5 Aug 2012 22:58:56 BDT
Drew Jones says:
I think the cultural power of immigrants has a critical mass that your projections fail to consider so they hold little fear for me.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Aug 2012 09:25:12 BDT
Last edited by the author on 10 Oct 2012 09:21:08 BDT
Well I think the bulk of the West's 'leadership' cadre is now gripped/motivated only by the toxic legacy of the 1960's marijuana/LSD inspired 'God denying' dreams/fantasies. For the individuals within that leadership cadre the personal benefits are obvious. They can abuse their postions, accept massive bribes, publicly demonstrate glaring incompetence/corruption etc... without fear of retributary justice either in this world or the next, even as they extract ever larger amounts of taxation from those they supposedly 'represent'. What the rest of us gain from this tragic state of affairs eludes me. Perhaps you could enlighten us all Mr Jones?

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Aug 2012 10:31:44 BDT
They sound like priests.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Aug 2012 13:12:05 BDT
You haven't shown anything like homosexual rights being overplayed.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Aug 2012 13:16:13 BDT
"BUT THERE IS A LINK between peodophilia and the SEXUALISATION of our modern society"
[citation Needed]

"And many homosexuals have been guilty of promoting that, as have all people who have abandoned the idea that sexual acts are, or should be, intrinsically linked to making a family and raising children. And you are guilty of that too Occam. "
IMHO there's no correlation between sexual preference and sexualisation of modern society.

Posted on 6 Aug 2012 23:41:37 BDT
Spin says:
Logically, one cannot defend homosexuality in terms of the equality of sexualities, otherwise one would have to condone bestiality, necrophilia, peodophilia, etc. To say that ones sexuality is a "right" opens the floodgates to all sorts of moral and legal problems. It is NOT true to say that "All men are equal". All men are NOT equal. The legalisation of behaviour is the attempt to create equality, not defend it. And the creation of equality requires us to examine the issue of "consent". Thus, in sexual perversions, (with thankfuly only a few exceptions) one party has not consented to the act, creating an inequality that is, in terms of law and ethics, unjust and immoral. I argue that it is not the state, religion or science that determines the "right" or "wrong" of homosexuality, but the consent, or lack thereof, of those involved in that lifestyle. Of course, some may argue against this by noting that a smoker consents to kill himself slowly so cigarettes are legal, but this does not mean that it is right to smoke or sell tobacco. I reply by noting that what is "right" has nothing to do with what is "moral", but this leads us into questions concerning the nature of morality and ethics; questions which are usually responded to by references to the idea of "consequences" which themselves are based on the idea of "consent, be it personal or social.

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Aug 2012 08:39:57 BDT
I think here Spin, what we have is a slight equivocation. you can defend the sexual desire for all those things as equal, but the actions are where consent becomes involved.

Posted on 7 Aug 2012 08:53:38 BDT
Whoever was saying peadophilia is a modern thing - it isnt, just been brought into the spotlight recently. Its been around for ages, just 'overlooked' in the past, often deemed acceptable in other areas of the world or in the past. Lovely bunch mankind.

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Aug 2012 12:19:11 BDT
i think i heard that( i think it was Nero) had a interest in babies that were still suckling for his sexual pleasure!

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Aug 2012 14:32:18 BDT
Spin

I agree, it does revolve around consent, and sometimes consent is dubious.

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Aug 2012 22:09:58 BDT
Spin says:
CE: I think the the issue revolves around the conflict between the "consent of the individual" and the "consent of society". An individual may consent to something which society does not consent to. If the state allows gay marriage, it is consenting to behaviour which some of its citizens diagree with. This anti-utilitarian stance of the state can, at a fundamental level, undermine the idea of "democracy". But then, the system of Proportional Representation is still being debated, at least in Scotland, and it will not easily be resolved precisely because of the battle between individual and societal "consent".

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Aug 2012 13:17:16 BDT
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On 21 September 2001 the mortal remains of a mutilated nine year old child were pulled from the Thames River. The ensuing Police investigation discovered that the child had been used as a human sacrifice in a Voodoo 'rituals' during which his heart, liver and sex organs had been eaten! Despite all the considered discussion about individual/societal "consent" etc... there are clearly things which cannot be acceptable in any civilised society worth the name. This is the problem with abandoning strict Biblical morality. Break the first few minor rules/commandments and the floodgates are open; within a few years children are being ritually sacrificed in London and from fear of being considered 'disrespectfull of the 'civil/religious Rights' of the savages involved, the so-called 'authorities' attempt to deny it happened, rather than punish the murderers.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Aug 2012 13:30:56 BDT
G. Heron says:
C. W. Bradbury

Good to see you accept that there are limits to religious freedom.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Aug 2012 13:36:10 BDT
Last edited by the author on 8 Aug 2012 13:37:29 BDT
G. Heron says:
C. W. Bradbury

"This is the problem with abandoning strict Biblical morality. "

Can you please pick out the bits of the bible that you base your morality on (and what you think of the rest of it)
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