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Posted on 29 Jul 2013 03:53:27 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2013 06:12:51 BDT
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Withnail says:
Yes Tom, why did the cures happen at Lourdes? ( I think I have a new lyric!)

Isn't god capable of curing people where they are? Isn't there a mobile Lourdes that can go around and cure the sick where they are? Also remind me how many people visiting Lourdes have received a miracle?

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2013 06:19:10 BDT
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Withnail says:
But if God really wanted to prove he exists he could wake us up every morning by saying "Morning Folks, I'm just going to bring the sun up now, can you all just pull the duvet over your eyes for a couple of seconds?" Or he could have his own channel on TV where he has a weekly tv show, or he could distribute a newspaper. But God doesn't do that. He appears to poor peasants children in rural Europe. Have you ever noticed that God doesn't appear in the middle of cities, nor in areas where the majority of the population are not Christian...?

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2013 06:49:01 BDT
K. Hoyles says:
Tom - you believe that the sun danced? I think that's rather sweet. If it helps you to cling to your belief in a god, then so be it. All miracles are real, Santa and his little elves, magic tricks, ghosts, mind reading, clairvoyance, all prayers are answered, the sick are miraculously healed, and inexplicable phenomena in the sky must be a sign from god. Our powers of creativity and imagination are limitless. Sometimes, I envy your membership to this colourful world. And then I remember that in your world not everyone is equal, there are rules which restrict freedom of speech and choice, that you imagine you have the right to make rules and judge the sexual preference and beliefs of others, that in your mind you and a chosen few will go to a better place when you die, but the rest will rot and burn in hell...and I remember that your world is insane.

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2013 06:51:53 BDT
Drew Jones says:
"A friend of mine , a woman with a science and philosophy background incidentally , has read some of your ever-so-patient posts and admires you immensely. Good taste."
Even the anti-evolution stuff?

Posted on 29 Jul 2013 06:56:58 BDT
K. Hoyles says:
There's an absence of Clive on the forum - is he on holiday?

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2013 06:58:56 BDT
Drew Jones says:
"Penfield calculated that there were about 10^10^123rd other mathematical scenarios possible."
The guy's name was Penrose, the question is even if he could know (and there is no working out for this) that he has successfully calculated the how does he know the all exclude intelligent life?

"But there is ZERO evidence for any other universe and evidence only of this universe if one wishes to stick to actual science and the actual data."
This totally undoes the appeal to Penrose's statistical cla you just made. You've contradicted yourself not your opponent.

"The actual science points to theism as the best explanation."
No theistic claim offers an explaination. It is devoid of infomation other than who did it, which is the most trivial of information even if it was true.

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2013 07:02:37 BDT
Drew Jones says:
"Chance has nothing going for it, as apparently there are only 10^60 baryons in the entire universe."
This is a non-sequitur. How does the number of baryons effect the odds of which universe we get?

"How too could one argue 'necessity' in universal constants."
Well have you observed a variation of them?

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2013 07:08:38 BDT
Drew Jones says:
"It was her view that the church was extraordinarily rigorous generally when it came to the science."
You offer this often. Has it never struck you, as it clearly never struck her that it appears in this rigorous process they only asked for one opinion?

"Why all the cures right around these events? The statistical likelihood of such juxtapositions in time are out of this world."
Stop embarrassing your self by pretending to understand statistics. The statistics don't favour your chances of recovery if you have been to Lordes.

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In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2013 09:32:21 BDT
Tom M,

" The point is , that the universe appears fine tuned for intelligent life."

Really? Its so fine tuned that we are only able to live on one planet going round one out of a billion stars in this galaxy (not to mention the other billion billion galaxies each with billions of stars and planets). And even on this planet 70% is ocean which we can't live on, 20% of the remaining land is desert, 25% is high mountains where we struggle to live. This leaves about 12% of the earth being available as habitat for humans.
None of the other planets in this solar system could support life. If we travelled to the nearest sun at the speed of the fastest man made object (Helios 2 at 250,000 km/h) it would take 19,000 years so we aren't going to colonise the universe in a hurry. In the meantime, a single comet or meteorite strike could kill all life on earth in the blink of an eye and there's nothing we could do about it.
Fine tuned for life. Dream on.

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2013 09:40:33 BDT
AJ Murray says:
-"Penfield calculated that there were about 10^10^123rd other mathematical scenarios possible."

Crrrrikey DM!

Of course having read Penrose's work; The Road To Reality: A Complete Guide to the Laws of the Universe you may find that this calculation doesn't support your nonsense, it's not a calculation for the probability of intelligence nor for the chances of life since probability is defined as a value between 0 [impossible] and 1 [inevitable].

-"One then can ask how such an extrordinarily fortuitous state of affairs obtained when the slightest variance in some constants would deliver a universe of rubble."

But you don't know that. Because: A. these calculations are based on the assumption that these CONSTANTS are VARIABLE and B. Since we have no other universes with which to compare it is disingenuous to assume that all others would fail.

-"Physicists rushed to fill the void and threat to materialism and scientism with 'possible' universes etc, all of which is fine."

What, even the Christian ones - how devilish of them!

-"But there is ZERO evidence for any other universe and evidence only of this universe if one wishes to stick to actual science and the actual data. Metaphysical speculations are a necessary and good part of science, but the established fact has evidence of one astonishingly extraordinary universe."

Given the fact that the universe exists the probability is therefore 1, this hardly extraordinary.

-"John Barrow and Frank Tippler were the scientists who first pointed this out."

Yes, and the appearance of design hasn't advanced any further since then, and has in fact been rather overturned by the weak anthropic principle.

-"The actual science points to theism as the best explanation."

Which science would that be? The one that exists solely in your imagination? Because you've been asked plenty of times for evidence, scientific evidence, that would point towards a deity - you've utterly failed to provide anything more than rather mangled and exaggerated Thomism.
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