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In reply to an earlier post on 15 Feb 2013 12:11:04 GMT
It's almost like the people who created the religion dont want anyone to take that chance, so they make it seem like you have to believe or you will be eternally damned, great selling point eh?

Its that the faithful cant see this obvious ploy that amazes me.

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Feb 2013 12:14:49 GMT
Being raised and professing to be Christian does not get you into Heaven and it is not so complicated as you seem to think - perhaps the complications are your own invention.

The Bible says we will all face judgement - so your first sight will be God, not Satan (who will also be judged). And it has nothing to do with whether you believe at that point (saying you don't when faced with irrefutable proof is unlikely). It has to do with how we led our lives - what we did and the amends we tried to make for the things we did wrong.

Saville's charitable works are not enough to make up for his deeds, particularly as he seemed to use the charities to gain what he wanted.

Hitler's good works (if there are any) are blotted out by his evil.

Jewish law allows for sacrifices to be made for unknowing sin, but both of the above knew what they were doing.

Their only hope is that belief in Jesus wiped the slate clean, but the only way that could have happened is a sincere plea for forgiveness at the end - and none of us can know what happened, only God. It is unlikely that any of these guys actually did change their ways, deathbed conversions are something of a myth.

Posted on 15 Feb 2013 12:15:57 GMT
J. Forbes says:
Fine, Cam. If you can't be bothered to make your posts readable, I can't be bothered to read them.

This is not an attitude that is going to ensure happiness and success in your life. But it's your life, not mine, so it's up to you.

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Feb 2013 12:18:41 GMT
Read the parable of the labourers in the vineyard in Aramaic or Greek or English and you will have your answer.

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Feb 2013 12:19:38 GMT
Because you are not being judged for your belief but for your actions.

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Feb 2013 12:25:24 GMT
Spin says:
WD: I am not asking what your sacred texts say. I am asking what YOU think. Don't tell me that you are one of those who ignore even their own thoughts, questions amd curiosity in favour of mere ink on a page?

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Feb 2013 12:31:10 GMT
C. A. Small says:
It was a couple of years ago I think, he went to various southern states and duplicated all the fainting, feelings of euphoria etc. He went back last year but they know who he is and is targeted, so had to use a stand in whom he coached. It made the religious lobby look very dodgy indeed.

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Feb 2013 12:32:54 GMT
C. A. Small says:
DB- but why did they cover it all up for so long? The catholics brought these safeguards in due to court action and public exposure- not because of any care for the children.

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Feb 2013 12:35:49 GMT
C. A. Small says:
DB- please show what achaeological,scientific or any other evidence there is for any god.

The bible shows that some ment believe it. Nothing more. Theology is just a joke subject, first cause is being investigated but has no evidence of any description for any god.

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Feb 2013 12:37:45 GMT
C. A. Small says:
DB- you left me out? Yes, it should close down. Any the wealth distributed to the poor.

Now thats's a novel idea! I wonder no-one else thought of it?

Posted on 15 Feb 2013 12:39:42 GMT
Phatmandan says:
I would say that a true atheist does not feel the need to believe in anything nor feel the need to justify why.

This may appear to be, too simplistic to accept for most "believers" as it does not leave a door open for them to try and convert a lost soul or possibly restore faith in whatever their chosen religion happens to be.

I would also argue the case for radical atheism where not only is religion dismissed but ghosts, spiritualism, astrology,telekinesis, telepathy and all other unexplained phenomenon are dismissed as wishful thinking by the desperate and gullible.

Personally I do not nor feel the need to believe in anything. I do not care what other people believe in although I respect the fact that they can believe whatever they choose to believe, {no matter how unlikely it may be}. I don't want people to try and convert me and I don't wish to have my soul saved nor my faith restored.

Religious fanaticism has caused more death and destruction throughout history than either politics or territory.
The opposite of religious fanaticism is apathetic atheism and it is the only way to go.

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Feb 2013 12:39:46 GMT
Okay then,

"So why do you, and your fellow christians, claim others are sinners?" Because everyone sins (including Christians)

"Are you and your fellows not those who "want God to remember the sins of others"?" No we are the ones who want God to remember our sins no more - we can't ask forgiveness on behalf of someone else (see however 'purgatory', which is not a Christian doctrine, but it is a Roman Catholic one).

"Would you not be rather annoyed that afer a lifetime expounding a theology and morality concerning good and evil, an evil person shared the comfort of heaven with you?" Yes but if I want forgiveness for myself, by denying it to others I am acting selfishly and thus sinning, which defeats the object of want to be forgiven myself. Do try and look at the parable of the labourers, it might help you to realise that your ideas of Christians are wrong.

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Feb 2013 12:42:10 GMT
Spin says:
CA: And nor does science have any evidence or description of the "BIg Bang" except that concept science shares with theology; "First cause".

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Feb 2013 12:43:51 GMT
C. A. Small says:
REv- do not forget hiding priests and nuns who were complicit in genocide.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2010/mar/29/pope-catholics-rwanda-genocide-church

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/africa/11/30/rwanda.genocide/index.html

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Feb 2013 12:46:15 GMT
Spin says:
Phat: Ideed. I think Atheists who argue with theists are actually holding a subconscious doubt as to whether god exists or not or has an unnatural prejudice against religion.. A true atheist would not concern him/herself with religious debate.

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Feb 2013 12:46:53 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 15 Feb 2013 12:48:27 GMT
Phatmandan says:
Having said my piece I can now move on and get on with my life.
Thank you and goodbye.

Posted on 15 Feb 2013 12:49:03 GMT
K. Hoyles says:
Billy no mates in disguise?

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Feb 2013 12:55:04 GMT
C. A. Small says:
It would seem so!

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Feb 2013 13:08:56 GMT
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K. Hoyles says:
'A true atheist would not concern him/herself with religious debate.'

Isn't that rather condescending to theists? The 'Just ignore them and they'll go away' approach to debate assumes that theists are loonies without the ability to fend for themselves.

Edit - replaced atheists with theists, thanks for the votes anyway.

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Feb 2013 13:35:54 GMT
Last edited by the author on 15 Feb 2013 13:38:08 GMT
george scott says:
Whatever happened to 'call no man fool'? If you read the rest of the verse in the psalms starting "The fool has said in his heart there is no God (even a fool knew what would happen to him if he said it out loud)..it basically says that no atheist has done any good, of any description, ever.
The Roman Catholic Church has done what all monotheistisms do, it has adopted a more responsible attitude (assuming it has) only when it had to. Religions only become tolerant etc. when they have lost the power to be anything else.

Posted on 15 Feb 2013 13:43:55 GMT
J. Forbes says:
I don't think we need to call for the dissolution of the Catholic church. It will go the way of Anglicanism, which is disappearing before our eyes. Soon it will only be found in the most primitive places, like Africa and America.

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Feb 2013 13:47:39 GMT
Spin says:
George: God has said in his heart "There is no fool".

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Feb 2013 13:52:16 GMT
G. Heron says:
Spin

"or has an unnatural prejudice against religion"

Perhaps they just have a perfectly natural prejudice against religion.

Posted on 15 Feb 2013 13:55:48 GMT
J. Forbes says:
As a true atheist, I contribute for my amusement.
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