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Does "I don't believe there is" equal " I do believe there isn't"?


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In reply to an earlier post on 10 Mar 2013 19:22:52 GMT
Bellatori says:
"Love has no survival value." I am not sure that that is true. I have no immediate proof to hand but, like religion, there is so much of it about that I have to wonder whether it does have survival value. Please note that survival value has nothing to do with its actuality. Like theism, it could all be in the mind though, with 'love' I think there are physiological side effects...

Posted on 10 Mar 2013 20:07:59 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 10 Mar 2013 20:14:51 GMT
Bellatori says:
delightful!?

...and someone made a fortune with all those "love is... " stickers and cards and all the rest of it. That does not make it true though...

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Mar 2013 20:48:54 GMT
Kleist says:
Doesn't make it false either. St Paul wasn't the first to notice its power and he was not the last either.

Many emotions have power which we barely understand, the other that I noted, the philosophical one, is wonder (this might have a survival value too!?).

'The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed.'

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Mar 2013 20:49:54 GMT
wasn't the Stockholm syndrome about sympathising with the captors cause?

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Mar 2013 20:54:40 GMT
Kleist says:
No. I think with the captors themselves. But I'm no expert.

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Mar 2013 20:55:52 GMT
Bellatori says:
Falling in 'love' with those who 'constrain' you...

I was being a tad facetious but, although it is a stretch, you can see how ... well maybe not... just an idea...!?

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Mar 2013 20:59:10 GMT
Kleist says:
It's something to think about.
Perhaps a bit like the difference between shock and wonder, you may look the same in both cases, it's what goes before and after that matters.

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Mar 2013 23:00:23 GMT
i think they may have empathised with the captors by becoming sympathetic to their cause. Patty Hurst being the most famous.

not so sure now!

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Posted on 19 Mar 2013 19:18:36 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 19 Mar 2013 19:32:44 GMT
Kleist says:
Actually, of course, most peoples knowledge of science is based on testimony. I would suspect that this is true of the majority of posters here. Unless anyone out there has personally collected evidence of natural selection? Big bang? Silly string theory?
But then even if you told me the evidence that you had collected then my believing you would be based on testimony too.
Indeed without belief in the testimony of others our store of so-called knowledge would be depleted to the point of great poverty.

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Mar 2013 19:56:00 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 19 Mar 2013 20:36:03 GMT
Norm Deplume says:
Atheism is a lack of a belief in gods. This does not in way preclude holding a belief about what practitioners of religions claim. Nor is it confined to atheists: in your post you express a belief about Mormonism but you are not a Mormon.

I can state, quite accurately that "Christianity involves a belief in a deity, that I have no belief in".

I suspect that you are using 'belief' as a synonym for 'opinion'.

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Mar 2013 20:48:23 GMT
Last edited by the author on 19 Mar 2013 20:48:37 GMT
Bellatori says:
Oh come on... it was completely idiotic. there are three legs to science.

KNOWLEDGE You find out something new
UNDERSTANDING and You fit a sensible explanation of how it integrates into current understanding (new theory paradigm shift!!)
APPLICATION You make predictions on what you have discovered

Underlying it all is practical evidence based on experiment.

What you are praising is simply garbage based on prejudice and, I suspect, complete lack of understanding of the scientific method.

Simple belief is not enough. If it were we would all be theists and credulous and gullible at that.

Posted on 19 Mar 2013 20:50:22 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 19 Mar 2013 20:52:43 GMT
Bellatori says:
Really? Motivation is irrelevant? I hardly think so and neither do most law givers...

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Mar 2013 20:54:50 GMT
Drew Jones says:
"Mormonism is not a full Christian religion since they have a very strange idea of the revealed God of the Old Testament as a former human being."
Q1: How can this be an argument based on a valid interpretation of Mormonism if you are not yourself Momon?

Q2: How can you resolve the problem in Q1 without undoing all your ideas about atheist interactiosn with theism?

"You seem to have missed my point about 'belief'.'
I naturally disagree and insist we diverge on the validity of your point which is another thing altogether.

"Atheists here continually insist that atheism is not a belief."
Because it's not a positive belief. To expand a popular analogy; non-stamp collecting is not a hobby but that doesn't exclude *non-stamp collectors* from having hobbies and even opinions on the accumilation of stamps.

"i am pointing out that they have a series of not very well evidenced or one-sidedly evidenced 'beliefs' about religion."
And this keeps coming up against people quoting other theists and religious view points you refuse to acknowledge to maintain an idea that only you can propose a valid argument for Christianity and religion that mst be the one that is not just engaged with but taken at face value in all aspects, by fiat if it has to.

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Mar 2013 20:58:20 GMT
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Drew Jones says:
"The evidence for Christianity is the kind used in history and in law, the evidence of testimony."
No lawyer or historian would be able to secure a conviction with only written testimony that was not cross examined or formally recieved and met with little to no external evidence to back up it's major claims. To make this comparision is to totally misunderstand how history or law would work, everyone would be in prison and everything written would be history.

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Mar 2013 21:04:42 GMT
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