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"There's simply no polite way to tell people they've dedicated their lives to an illusion" Dennet on Religion


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In reply to an earlier post on 7 May 2013 17:51:42 BDT
Last edited by the author on 7 May 2013 18:00:49 BDT
T. S. C. says:
'Bellatori says:
Epicurus argued about this about 300BC. He said let us suppose that the God(s) exist. Why would they bother to disturb their utter tranquillity of existence to 'rub shoulders' with the imperfect us? His answer was that they would not. Such perfect beings would have no time for imperfection. He was not, as such, an atheist. He was probably a pantheist though for all intents and purposes he believed the Gods so remote as to be the same as non-existent. So from his point of view they were not worth spit on a shovel either way!!'

So that's old Epicurus hey?! I bet he'd have been a right laugh down the boozer! I know that one of the great Greek philosophers, can't remember which one, was condemned to death for saying that men should be less concerned with gods and more concerned with the affairs of men. I know Socrates drank poison but don't think it was that little chap I'm thinking of.

In reply to an earlier post on 7 May 2013 17:54:44 BDT
T. S. C. says:
'Ryan Williams says:

Getting Tom to behave is like getting a rhino to be beautiful: physically impossible. It's the reason he keeps getting deleted.'

Fair enough Old Sport. Yes, his posts are, shall we say, a little frisky! Rather lively!?

In reply to an earlier post on 7 May 2013 17:55:06 BDT
Heretic says:
K. Hoyles says: "Odd question, interesting though. Apart from my children, and husband, I've never been committed enough to a personal abstract belief to imagine dying for it."

I can image 7,000,000,000 reasons worth dying for but not one reason worth killing for.

SWH

In reply to an earlier post on 7 May 2013 17:59:45 BDT
Heretic says:
T. S. C. says: 'Ryan Williams says:"Getting Tom to behave is like getting a rhino to be beautiful: physically impossible."

Tell that to Mrs Rhino

SWH

In reply to an earlier post on 7 May 2013 17:59:47 BDT
Last edited by the author on 7 May 2013 18:08:51 BDT
T. S. C. says:
'Colin Gibbons says:

Mankind is ruled more by his imagination more than his reason.'

Agreed. Men are far more inspired by what they can do or achieve or accomplish, be it motivated for good things or downright evil things, than they are ever really guided by foresight and plain reason.

'Illusions are a part of reality and if someone 'dedicates' their life to one, it is perfectly possible to say so politely.'

Good point. I'm a Christian, and if someone wants to say I am deluded because of that, as long as they are polite, all well and good. In my turn, I can merely politely disagree. That's all we can do in life. Getting your nix in a twist because someone merely disagrees with you or simply because they have a different opinion or belief is in the end pointless, it's like arguing over what TV program you watch or whether you like beans on toast and someone else likes a risotto! It can all boil down to ego. Perhaps we need to move forward and just accept we are all different.

In reply to an earlier post on 7 May 2013 18:07:13 BDT
T. S. C. says:
'Heretic says:

I can image 7,000,000,000 reasons worth dying for but not one reason worth killing for.'

Good, and rather profound point, Old Sport. And I may add, we should all be trying to find something worth living for.

In reply to an earlier post on 7 May 2013 18:45:39 BDT
Heretic says:
T. S. C. says: "Good, and rather profound point, Old Sport. And I may add, we should all be trying to find something worth living for."

My Children are the only reason I need to live, after my wife died I thought long and about why I should continue to live and they were it.

SWH

In reply to an earlier post on 7 May 2013 18:57:30 BDT
richard says:
definitely got to live as long as you can for your children.

In reply to an earlier post on 7 May 2013 21:56:37 BDT
T. S. C. says:
'Heretic says:

T. S. C. says: "Good, and rather profound point, Old Sport. And I may add, we should all be trying to find something worth living for."

My Children are the only reason I need to live, after my wife died I thought long and about why I should continue to live and they were it.

SWH'

Sorry to hear that about your wife; never easy that. But you're right. A very good reason for cherishing life and being alive.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 May 2013 02:29:59 BDT
Ford Prefect says:
"By that reasoning, a criminal is not responsible for his acts of criminality - his ancestors are."

You're absolutely right there Wayne - labelling individuals as culpable for the wrong-doing of a distant ancestor is an utterly ridiculous concept.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 May 2013 03:40:01 BDT
Last edited by the author on 8 May 2013 03:41:05 BDT
Henry James says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 8 May 2013 03:59:56 BDT
Ford Prefect says:
Dead Henry sez ".... Number 2 is NOT completely different from saying that one's behavior is partly determined by *lots of distant ancestors.* I think you need to refine your thinking and your category of "ridiculous concepts," Mr. Little."

Alas, the deceased has obviously mislaid the ability to read what was written, instead introducing an objection unrelated to the concept of 'culpability'.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 May 2013 06:25:09 BDT
Last edited by the author on 8 May 2013 06:27:40 BDT
light says:
Heretic,

I agree, if it weren't for my children I'd have been long gone. I talked to a counselor once and she told me that it takes averagely 7-10 years to recover from a major catastrophe in ones life such as death, divorce, betrayal.....in the mean time reach out in however many different ways and heal.

take care light

In reply to an earlier post on 8 May 2013 06:30:16 BDT
Heretic says:
Thankyou.

SWH

In reply to an earlier post on 8 May 2013 08:17:19 BDT
K. Hoyles says:
Bellatori - thanks!

In reply to an earlier post on 8 May 2013 10:29:28 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 9 May 2013 02:27:33 BDT
Ford Prefect says:
So you agree that "Original Sin" is a ridiculous concept?

In reply to an earlier post on 9 May 2013 10:16:37 BDT
Depends upon how you define Original Sin, but given the way this discussion is going... yes I do.

Posted on 9 May 2013 22:56:07 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 10 May 2013 10:46:08 BDT
'llocks!

In reply to an earlier post on 10 May 2013 10:51:31 BDT
Bellatori says:
I prefer 'toilet cistern flotation device'. It doesn't get deleted; it has a certain whimsy to it and it conveys exactly the correct implication with certain urinary and fecal overtones...

In reply to an earlier post on 10 May 2013 10:57:20 BDT
Dan Fante says:
Invented by a man called Crapper as well.

In reply to an earlier post on 10 May 2013 11:01:56 BDT
Last edited by the author on 10 May 2013 11:04:03 BDT
Bellatori says:
Apparently not though I have to say I shared your belief...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Crapper

I also thought that his name was the origin of going for a crap but again I would have been wrong.

[EDIT] I take back my correction. Having thought about your post I now realise you were referring to the ballcock and not the flush toilet. He did have a patent for the former.

In reply to an earlier post on 10 May 2013 11:34:14 BDT
Dan Fante says:
Yes, I meant the ballcock. But really I just wanted to write "Crapper" ;-)
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