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"There's simply no polite way to tell people they've dedicated their lives to an illusion" Dennet on Religion


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Posted on 4 May 2013 13:23:20 BDT
C. A. Small says:
More than "a bit" currently. I have been helping an old neighbour of mine whose chicken fencing collapsed- I have chicken crap covered jeans- pleasant it is not. Due to the hot summer here (currently high winds and driving rain) I am having a break!

In reply to an earlier post on 4 May 2013 13:23:26 BDT
...actually maybe that explains it There was a God, he did create the world and then being omniscient immediately realised the futility of it all and promptly expired.
Although, you'd think he would have known that would happen

In reply to an earlier post on 4 May 2013 13:24:50 BDT
richard says:
well if cleanliness is next to godliness you might have a point!

Posted on 4 May 2013 13:26:53 BDT
C. A. Small says:
More than "a bit" currently. I have been helping an old neighbour of mine whose chicken fencing collapsed- I have chicken crap covered jeans- pleasant it is not. Due to the hot summer here (currently high winds and driving rain) I am having a break!

In reply to an earlier post on 4 May 2013 13:37:42 BDT
Heretic says:
I might have predicted that - then again maybe not.

:->>

SWH

In reply to an earlier post on 4 May 2013 13:37:56 BDT
Bellatori says:
Please bare in mind that I am a died in the wool atheist so when I postulate things about God it is simply an idle fancy. I am not for a moment suggesting that this is a reason for God...so!

"...oh yes of course, silly me, He didn't"

Epicurus argued about this about 300BC. He said let us suppose that the God(s) exist. Why would they bother to disturb their utter tranquillity of existence to 'rub shoulders' with the imperfect us? His answer was that they would not. Such perfect beings would have no time for imperfection. He was not, as such, an atheist. He was probably a pantheist though for all intents and purposes he believed the Gods so remote as to be the same as non-existent. So from his point of view they were not worth spit on a shovel either way!!

In reply to an earlier post on 4 May 2013 13:40:43 BDT
Bellatori says:
As Portia did not say

The quality of puns is not being strain'd,
They drop as the pooh that rains from the seagulls
Upon those placed beneath:

In reply to an earlier post on 5 May 2013 10:12:47 BDT
So is one painful death not evil then. At which point does the number of deaths due to disease turn from happenstance to evil?

In reply to an earlier post on 5 May 2013 10:15:13 BDT
If you are using that kind of reasoning, you might as well call anyone who lives in the British Isles, 'English', after all over half the population are English and I'm sure all the Irish, Welsh and Scottish people would have no objection....

In reply to an earlier post on 5 May 2013 10:24:41 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 5 May 2013 10:24:55 BDT
Or evolving?

In reply to an earlier post on 5 May 2013 10:26:15 BDT
What about if you remove contingent knowledge entirely and say that there is nothing to know because the future is 'open'?

In reply to an earlier post on 5 May 2013 10:29:04 BDT
Not so.

A person can have free will but still be destined to die.

In reply to an earlier post on 5 May 2013 10:33:53 BDT
Bellatori says:
Then you do not have an omniscient God...

In reply to an earlier post on 5 May 2013 10:35:11 BDT
Bellatori says:
" Anything that happened after that could be the result of the fall." That is not an answer... who caused the fall... Satan... and who created Satan...?

In reply to an earlier post on 7 May 2013 02:06:49 BDT
Tom M says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 7 May 2013 02:16:00 BDT
Tom M says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 7 May 2013 11:14:32 BDT
Why not? If there is nothing to know then God not knowing does not imply lack as there is nothing to lack knowledge about.

In reply to an earlier post on 7 May 2013 11:15:27 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 7 May 2013 11:52:54 BDT
shakespier says:
What beliefs would you die for then ?

In reply to an earlier post on 7 May 2013 13:05:29 BDT
K. Hoyles says:
Odd question, interesting though. Apart from my children, and husband, I've never been committed enough to a personal abstract belief to imagine dying for it. However, I value freedom of speech and thought for both sexes, and as a society we have a collective responsibility to ensure those freedoms are maintained and improved upon. If democracy were threatened I'd be prepared to fight, as a repressed society would be too horrific to imagine for my children and future generations. For example, Muslim women are being imprisoned and beaten in the streets for the crime of showing their ankles, or demanding an education. So yes, I would be prepared to die to protect the freedoms of our society. After all, It's what our parents did for us, not that long ago.

In reply to an earlier post on 7 May 2013 17:02:58 BDT
Bellatori says:
Top girl, Karen...!

In reply to an earlier post on 7 May 2013 17:34:39 BDT
T. S. C. says:
'Tom M says:

I'm not finding you guys very bright.'

Often people say that when others merely disagree with them.

'For anyone interested in facts, Catholicism and Christianity generally has never denied the existence of evil.'

On this statement, being a Christian I agree wiith you. But perhaps leave out the insults; you sound intelligent enough, so come back with an intelligent answer. If people don't accept it, well, that's life dear boy.

'What I find mildly interesting is that none of the whizbangs here come back on that fact. This stuff is soooo stupid.'

I for one would be interested to hear what you have to say, to add to the debate, just keep it friendly that's all. ;~)

Posted on 7 May 2013 17:38:14 BDT
Obelix says:
Getting Tom to behave is like getting a rhino to be beautiful: physically impossible. It's the reason he keeps getting deleted.

Posted on 7 May 2013 17:45:19 BDT
Mankind is ruled more by his imagination more than his reason. Illusions are a part of reality and if someone 'dedicates' their life to one, it is perfectly possible to say so politely. Dennet's observation is simply wrong.
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