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In reply to an earlier post on 18 Nov 2012 20:46:09 GMT
Charlieost says:
Hi athanasius. Oh you are such a sweetie, charlie boy indeed. No one has called me that for ages.

The pro-life lobby were notable absent from the rally we held up in the city last night. Apparently they did not set up shop in the city centre during the day as they usually do on Saturday either. I would like to think that it was out of respect.

I do not understand the link that you make between the EEC and abortion. Since a ruling was made after the X case twenty years ago there has been no pressure that I know of put on any Irish goverment to legalise abortion under any circumstances by the EEC.

Yes i do agree with you. It may be a case of gross medical negligence and I do not know that much about the birth proces beyond being at the birth of four of my offspring but I understand from what I have read about this case that there is a danger of septecimia setting in the longer a woman remains dilated. She remained dilated because the doctor would not remove the seventeen week old feotus and a nurse told the father that the reason for this was "because this is a Catholic country".

I will be pleased if the law is clarified and women have the choice of whether to have a baby or not. I am certainly not pleased that a womans life can be endangered because of a ruling made by men to satisfy a presumed god.

Finally, since I am not privvy to what people call me behind my back I cannot tell you what they call me.

Always a pleasure. Charlie.

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Nov 2012 20:47:40 GMT
Spin says:
K: You say that "for every woman who uses abortion to maintain her lifestyle there are ten more women who are in desperate need". In "desperate need" of what? What "need" does the aborting of a life fill?

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Nov 2012 20:50:46 GMT
Spin says:
Charliost: In other words, you have no argument against mine.

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Nov 2012 20:58:23 GMT
K. Hoyles says:
Spin - in need of medical help. Not all pregnancies are viable. Not all pregnancies are wanted. If you want to know why, look at the links I posted earlier.

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Nov 2012 21:20:55 GMT
Charlieost says:
No Spin. I did not mean that at all. I am just joining the growing number of people that cannot be bothered to argue with you. It takes up time I would be otherwise devoting to tasks that have a point to them.

I cannot be bothered because you make uninformed comments and then change the subject or ignore being challenged on them. A case in point would be when I mentioned that I have known and know plenty of people who smoke dope and hold down jobs, a point that many other people on that thread made. But you just carried on maintaining that people who chose to smoke dope all relied on the state to supply the means to feed their habit.

You have informed me that I am wrong to post that all people of religion are anti-abortion and all atheists are pro-abortion when I have said absolutely nothing even resembling that assertion and then when I challenge you on this you ignore what I have written.

I cannot be bothered with that kind of nonsense Spin. And more and more posters are feeling the same way. I can tell by the reception most of your posts get.

I feel that you are a very lonely person. Me, I am signing off for tonight. The missus has just texted me that dinner is nearly ready and we keep her place an internet free zone because we have other things to do.

Goodnight Spin. I am sure you will find other people to argue with until they get tired of it too.

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Nov 2012 21:30:25 GMT
Spin says:
K; The majority of abortions are carried out as a means of contraception. If one does not want to get pregnant one should take steps to ensure one does not. It is not as if there are no contraceptives available. If you cannot keep your legs closed then at least take responsibility for looking after your body. The term "unwanted pregnancy" means "Unwillingness to change ones lifestyle". Further, a recent inquiry revealled that doctors were signing women up for abortions on request, without a consideration of the medical need.

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Nov 2012 21:34:28 GMT
Spin says:
Charliost; You cannot be bothered to defend the arguments you post on a discussion site? Very impressive. And your missus has "texted" (sic) you that your dinner is nearly ready? Now, THAT is the admission of a "lonely" person. jeez.

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Nov 2012 21:48:33 GMT
K. Hoyles says:
Now I know you are a wind up merchant Spin. The facts and statistics are there for you to see, you've lost the argument and you know it, which is why you are being deliberately antagonistic. So be it, but it makes you not worth the effort, which is a shame.

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Nov 2012 21:55:52 GMT
Spin says:
K; I did not take you to be one of those who will reply to an argument you have lost by ad hominem argument. If I am wrong, explain. Do not think a juvenile post will alter the truth of my argument. If one does not want to get pregnant, keep ones legs closed or obtain one of the many freely available contraceptives.

Posted on 18 Nov 2012 22:14:42 GMT
K. Hoyles says:
'All guys hate the words DON'T and STOP unless they're put together.'

Posted on 18 Nov 2012 22:18:36 GMT
Spin says:
Sexism at its worst. Blame the guy, of course. All men are b******s, eh? Christ, no wonder society is literally "screwed".

Posted on 18 Nov 2012 22:22:58 GMT
but I thought that's what you all wanted? A continual handing over of power unto the fairer sex until men are little more than warring sperm-donors?

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Nov 2012 22:46:58 GMT
Last edited by the author on 18 Nov 2012 23:03:23 GMT
K. Hoyles says:
Isn't that what we've got already? ;)

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Nov 2012 02:55:08 GMT
C. A. Small says:
Spin- did you mean to post "sorry , I was wrong"?

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Nov 2012 03:03:36 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 19 Nov 2012 07:51:41 GMT
K. Hoyles says:
Lol! You can dish it out, but you can't take it.

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Nov 2012 09:41:37 GMT
Spin says:
CA: No.

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Nov 2012 09:48:00 GMT
Spin says:
K: Thats a ridiculous statement from one who has posted a sexist statement and decides to resort to ad hominem argument to support it. For your information, the objection to the belief that sexual problems experienced by women are the fault of men is quite common among both genders, so you cannot claim that it is I, and I alone, "dishing it out" as you so eloquently put it.

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Nov 2012 10:05:20 GMT
C. A. Small says:
Karen- ignore him- most of us do.

Posted on 19 Nov 2012 10:09:24 GMT
Spin says:
Some of the posts on this discussion of abortion reveal the nature of the problem. It seems to me that abortion is supported and justified by those with no idea of the gravity of the issue nor an argument to support a law which affects every adult in the nation. The legalisation of abortion based on the arguments thus far on this thread is like giving matches to a baby...

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Nov 2012 10:17:47 GMT
K. Hoyles says:
Hi Clive, yes, the penny has finally dropped. He can rant on..and on...

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Nov 2012 10:47:11 GMT
P says:
Spin, " She died of a miscarriage, not because she did not have an abortion." She died because a natural miscarriage (or "spontaneous abortion" as the medics call it) was only partial and the doctors refused to remove the dying foetus. They left contaminated fluid and dying flesh inside her and it killed her.

And all, apparently, because the doctors were insufficiently versed in the niceties of Catholic doctrine.

Or because a woman in the extremes of pain and misery, suffering because a much-wanted baby was dying inside her, was denied the choice to have the dying foetus aborted so that her own life could be saved.

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Nov 2012 10:51:58 GMT
Spin says:
P: She originally asked for an bortion because of back-ache. She died of complications during a miscarriage. Perhaps even by medical malpractice. But nothing in the case offers support for the legalisation of abortion upon demand.

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Nov 2012 11:07:44 GMT
K. Hoyles says:
He knows this P, the sequence of events is quite clear in the report, but Spin will carry on trying to twist the story to fit his own prejudice.

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Nov 2012 11:40:27 GMT
Spin says:
K; Do us all a favour; Set up a "I hate Spin" thread and continue your juvenalia there.
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