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Religion is highly correlated with the dysfunctionality of a society: Agree or disagree?


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In reply to an earlier post on 16 May 2013 09:21:55 BDT
Bellatori says:
If he had 11 live births then statistically his wife will have aborted 22 foetuses. The ratio of spontaneous abortions to live birth is about 2:1...
I doubt that will give him pause for thought though.

Posted on 16 May 2013 09:46:48 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 16 May 2013 10:05:31 BDT
C. A. Small says:
"My grandfather inherited the family farm"? Lucky him. My grandfather and his brothers all died. In WW2 the Luftwaffe destroyed all my grandmothers possessions, my grandmother and my mother were dug out of the rubble. They were left with nothing, like so very many others. Most would have been very happy to have inherited a farm. Rather like winning the lottery.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 May 2013 10:07:38 BDT
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Quite right Mrs Hoyle: 'it was a joint decision to have a large family, she has loved every minute of it!'

As to my wife deserving a medal, I totally agree with you. At the birth of our eigth child, proudly presented her with an original 'Mutterkreuz in gold' (We British having no equivalent decoration/medal of honour). Today (still in good health) she mostly busies herself helping our children with the grandchildren.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 May 2013 10:34:38 BDT
"Well, the next time I discuss pregnancy with you I will ensure to include every specific detail of a womans life instead of attempting to cover them, as most do, by the generally accepted term "lifestyle"."

Apart from the usage you put it to is not the generally accepted usage of the word, the generally accepted use is the one found in the dictionary which, as has been pointed out to you, is different to how you employed it. To employ it in the way you have makes it so broad a term as to be meaningless.

But that's just a side point really, as has been pointed out to you your claim is false even when using lifestyle in it's common usage or as a blanket term.

Claim: A woman has an abortion because she values her lifestyle more than the life of the child.

Refutation of common usage lifestyle. Women may have abortions because of other reasons such as health.
Refutation of blanket usage lifestyle. As in the examples I provided yesterday, which may be hypothetical but I'm sure are very real for a lot of women, women may have abortions not because they value their life(style) above the childs but because they realise they are unable to care forthe child and value the childs existence at being worth more than a life filled with care homes and neglect.

"If definitions are more import to you than the arguments concerning abortion, I suggest you avoid discussing the matter with a woman."

Maybe you want to think about that a bit more Spin. Definitions (the clues in the name) DEFINE the argument, without definitions of what is being discussed any discussion is as much use as blowing raspberries at each other.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 May 2013 10:57:01 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 16 May 2013 11:01:48 BDT
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Drew Jones says:
Abortion isn't a 'population control programme'. There are no targets set, no numbers to be met.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 May 2013 11:13:27 BDT
If you really cannot see the difference between a woman choosing an abortion over systematic genocide then I really do pity you.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 May 2013 11:26:39 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 16 May 2013 12:26:29 BDT
Drew Jones says:
"There may/may not be targets set, numbers to be meet; but the 'product' of abortion is still heaps of innocent bodies being shovelled into hospital incinerators, as you well know Mr Jones."
Kind of. I hope you understand that you have now acknowledged that the previous comment hyperbole and we will be expecting any further insinuation to a 'population control programme' to be tempered.

Oh no, look, you're back to it in the same post.

Posted on 16 May 2013 12:37:16 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 16 May 2013 12:42:08 BDT
Drew Jones says:
Not all abortions are carried out on what we can reasonably call a body, but I don't, can't and won't dismiss the fact that remains have to be disposed of. Some of the parents still hold a vigil or bury them.

Posted on 16 May 2013 14:13:28 BDT
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Posted on 16 May 2013 14:23:52 BDT
C. A. Small says:
Isn't it interesting how "scientific achievements" are readily quoted by theists when they need to, and conveniently ignored when it conflicts with their daft religious nonsense?

Also, even when we have all condemned Gosnell, Bradders still keeps bringing this odious creature up as some sort of talisman for his daft beliefs.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 May 2013 14:26:59 BDT
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Drew Jones says:
Why would I tell anything to Gosnell. He was performing illegal procedures beyond the maximum period. Any debate *I* have about abortion will not be defending or specifically discussing the actions of Gosnell.

"The 'blob of jelly' is propaganda..."
Yet again you supply an article for something adjacent to your point not for it. I didn't say there were no cells present at all stages of abortion only that they don't necessarily form a body. Are you suggesting that a living cell is a body? If not you show once again that you have no handle on your own argument let alone the one wider taking place around you.

"Attempts to describe this imensely complex procedure as a 'blob of jelly' are based literally; on ignorance of what's happening and what 'life' itself really is."
And who did that I wonder?

In reply to an earlier post on 16 May 2013 14:42:11 BDT
K. Hoyles says:
Bradbury - are you equating Gosnell with a woman who requires an abortion?
Calling all women 'murderers' for having an abortion makes it clear that you need to educate yourself as to the many reasons why a woman would have a termination. Your Victorian values regarding women are on a par with your views on producing vast numbers of children - inhuman and disgusting.
You and Spin haven't a clue either when the decision to abort a foetus is made by the woman, her family and the GP, or why the decision is made, and how the procedure is carried out. Therefore none of your posts are valid in any sense of the word when discussing the subject of abortion. You only know what you've been taught through your religion, and news stories. You bypass the facts and reality, preferring to see women as perpetrators of a crime and incapable of making life changing decisions. If you had to choose between your wife dying in childbirth, or having a foetus removed, would you be capable of making that choice?

I wonder, if your wife hadn't had the indoctrination of your ghastly religion and your archaic views on women, given the choice would she have produced so many children?

In reply to an earlier post on 16 May 2013 14:46:33 BDT
C. A. Small says:
Karen- very well said, and more politely said than I would have managed. I suspect Bradders walks along with his knuckles dragging on the floor.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 May 2013 14:48:19 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 16 May 2013 14:51:18 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 16 May 2013 14:52:56 BDT
K. Hoyles says:
Diane - do you know how many of these women had nine abortions? And do you know why they had those abortions? Do you want to make a story up about 'lifestyle choice'? I'm sure you could.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 May 2013 14:57:25 BDT
K. Hoyles says:
Diane - '48% are carried out by the 'vacuum' process.(Sucked out)'

I can't believe, as a woman, you are ignorant of the process. I'm ashamed of you. Have you read up on it? Yes, the foetus is sucked out. Would you be happier if the remains were left in situ to fester? How did you manage to have children and remain ignorant of what happens during an abortion? Oh, of course, your a catholic.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 May 2013 14:57:48 BDT
C. A. Small says:
Where do you get your statistics from? Do you just make them up like you do for the number of child rapists in the church? If not please post the link.

How many women have 9 abortions? Do you think these women would make good mothers to 9 children? If not why not? Should they be forced to take every pregnancy to completion?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/women_shealth/8904455/Abortion-costs-30m-higher-than-previously-thought.html

Total cost of abortions for the year 2010 £110m, 174,000 carried out, average cost about £680. The cost of bringing up a child is rather more than £680, so where would a woman who has 9 children get the money? The benefits system, which would mean less sick people get treated.

Do you EVER think before posting?

In reply to an earlier post on 16 May 2013 15:15:46 BDT
K. Hoyles says:
Clive, I suspect so too - I can't help thinking of his wife pushing out those 11 babies...and Bradbury being totally ignorant of what she's been through. I notice he mentions his wife 'busies herself' helping with the grandchildren, whilst Bradders no doubt spends his time cooking up conspiracy theories on the net.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 May 2013 15:22:24 BDT
Henry James says:
There are 11 MORE Bradburys in the world???
Not to mention the grandchildren???

So much for evolution.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 May 2013 15:22:57 BDT
"Due to advancing medical knowledge premature babies of only 23 weeks can now survive to adulthood."

You forgot to add with a 90% chance of suffering from a severe handicap.
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