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In reply to an earlier post on 1 Feb 2013 14:03:11 GMT
The way to control it, would be to World wide nationalise it,

But since we are all separate nations its impossible.

Lets say for example world wide fishing fleet, where the amounts taking, the methods used and the re-habitation and recycling were all done within budget and responsibly on a world wide scale, this can be done, but not until we all stop hiding behind the fact we are all separate nations and no one takes responsibility for the whole place.

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Feb 2013 14:03:59 GMT
Ha, no I get it, I thought thats what you meant, because it is puzzling to me.

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Feb 2013 16:31:24 GMT
Spin says:
MR WD; I did not claim that one is led away from a deity. I am not an atheist. I am an agnostic. It is not only Theology I question, but science as well (regardless of whether or not the science concerns religious matters). I do not object to a persons beliefs; I object only to their telling me that I am wrong without evidence or justification that they are right. A fault in the logic or reasoning of a religious or scientific argument means there is fault in the belief and all thoughts and actions based on that belief.

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Feb 2013 16:39:29 GMT
If you went from theism to agnosticism you are being 'led' away from God...

Other than that the rest of the post I agree with.

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Feb 2013 17:05:16 GMT
C. A. Small says:
Nice idea, but it would never work, look at the Costa Rica shark fin abuse.

Anyone who orders shark fin soup should immediately be shot . Repeatedly.

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Feb 2013 17:20:50 GMT
G. Hanks says:
Really with you on that Cam. Obviously as you state it is impossible but it would really make a big difference. Definitely putting my hippy hat on here but a "world united" approach would be the way forward for fishy kind.

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Feb 2013 18:21:06 GMT
Spin says:
Mr WD: I an not being led away from any deity. I may be being led away from your conception of god. But I do not mind. I do not believe that a deity as described by abrahamic monotheism exists. If a deity does exist he/she/it will not be anything like the descriptions based on the subjective, limited religious and scientific experiences of Man. Besides, being led away from a falsehood is not a bad thing...

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Feb 2013 19:24:50 GMT
On that I disagree only slightly, they should be fed to the sharks baws first

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Feb 2013 19:27:14 GMT
Most things likely as well, having separate countries allows the rich nations to do things without taking responsibility, look at China, someone should be running their country for them, they are terrible at it themselves and especially bad for things like environment and giving a damn about anyone but themselves, but most countries have similar failings.

Posted on 1 Feb 2013 19:29:11 GMT
BTW what the F are the 2 muppets no one talks to blethering on about?

A different subject to everyone elses, I am only seeing WD side, but does anyone else thinks spins got problems?

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Feb 2013 22:04:25 GMT
Ian says:
Unless it has been misreported it's much more than that; in some cases 29% of the meat in the burgers was horse. The meat in question had apparently come from suppliers who had not been approved by the retailers ordering the burgers from the processing plant. I must admit that it's not the eating of horse that concerns me but the failure of the systems which are supposed to make sure we know what we're eating. If horse meat from an unauthorised supplier has been used as a substitute for beef, how do we know that all of it was intended for human consumption?

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Feb 2013 02:19:00 GMT
WDB - "The only people who have used the 'communion = cannibalism' argument in the past have all been atheists, so I leapt to a wrong conclusion."

Excuse me! I am not an atheist, but I do see vestigial implications of cannibalism and human blood sacrifice in the literal Transubstantiation doctrine of the Eucharist adhered to by some Christians. I think most Christians today see it as a symbolic ritual of spiritual renewal in the same way as baptism represents spiritual death and rebirth.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Feb 2013 08:25:06 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 2 Feb 2013 13:00:56 GMT
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I don't think so. I thought in Judaism it was forbidden to eat a sacrificed animal, hence 'burnt offerings'. In Islam, because they are very practical types who don't like waste, you are allowed to give sacrificed animals to feed the poor. Monotheism therefore is not about sacrifice and then eating the sacrifice as far as I can see. However to me sacrifice is still offensive if it is unjust.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Feb 2013 13:11:20 GMT
C. A. Small says:
If muslims were "practical types" they would not waste their time, and animals lives, sacrificing to a myth.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Feb 2013 15:33:29 GMT
AJ Murray says:
-" the ritual of eating a sacrificial animal is an ancient tradition common in all religions."

You've not encountered Jainism then?

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Feb 2013 02:51:09 GMT
light says:
Caroline,

There are different types of burnt offerings in Judaism, for some the entire offering is burnt, for some only the best parts are offered to God, which is considered the fat, then the rest is divided up and eaten. The animal is to be killed in a certain way which would be instant, (knife in the back of the neck bone), and cause the least amount of suffering to the animal. The blood should be drained before the burnt offering because the life/spirit is said to be in the blood.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Feb 2013 20:27:58 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 3 Feb 2013 20:28:49 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 3 Feb 2013 21:30:51 GMT
Spin... You seem to be contradicting yourself: "I am not being led away from any deity" ad "I do not believe that a deity as described by abrahamic monotheism exist." On the one hand this could seem as though you have no problems with non-abrahamic or polythesim, on the other it is a direct response to my 'being led away from God'.

" If a deity does exist he/she/it will not be anything like the descriptions based on the subjective, limited religious and scientific experiences of Man." I agree with this, but then so does "Abrahamic Monotheism", which basically says that God is beyond our understanding. Only the atheists don't seem to like this.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Feb 2013 21:33:04 GMT
MLJ,

"Excuse me! I am not an atheist..." What are you then?

"... but I do see vestigial implications of cannibalism and human blood sacrifice in the literal Transubstantiation doctrine of the Eucharist adhered to by some Christians." Where and when. 25 years of church and I have never come across anyone who considers it that way.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Feb 2013 21:34:57 GMT
"They would sacrifice an animal to thier [sic] gods and feast afterwards". This is true of Judaism. However Jesus started the whole communion thing before he had been sacrificed, which makes it difficult to be anything related to this type of sacrificial eating.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Feb 2013 21:37:49 GMT
Spin says:
MR WD: I refute all descriptions of deity provided by one species of animal among many and by one mode of consciousnessness among many. This does not mean I reject the possibility of a deity. But nor do I reject the possibility of the non-existence of deity. I await irrefutable "proof" that a deity does or does not exist. Until then, I will question both science and religion by pointing out their faults, errors and assumptions. And I will do so not to "find" or "remove" myself from either deity or humanity; I simply want to know the truth.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Feb 2013 21:40:22 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 4 Feb 2013 07:33:39 GMT
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WDB - "Excuse me! I am not an atheist..." What are you then?

I believe in Jesus as a man and one of the greatest teachers this world has ever seen, but not in the deification part. If that makes me a non-Christian in your view, then so be it. But it does not make me an atheist.
I suppose that the literal Transubstantiation idea must go together with the deification so as not to have cannibalistic implications. Feeding on God is OK, but feeding on humans is wrong! In which case Jesus the Christ was not human.
But for me it is precisely his humanity, rather than his divinity, which makes him important and humanly relevant.
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