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What is the "Atheist" basis of morality?


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In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 10:51:36 GMT
Drew Jones says:
What sort of thing would you warn a child against: Climbing up on things, playing with sharp objects, running around without any concern for their environment etc.

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 10:52:57 GMT
Dan Fante says:
Not even the argument that says not doing so makes you worse than Jimmy Savile and Harold Shipman? ;-)

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 10:55:52 GMT
Drew Jones says:
Ahhh, so I am clever now but you're betting that you win when we're dead. You realise you're not smart enough to do this on reason so you hope I'm stupid enough for your threats to convince. Smooth move Einstein. You were able to confirm this how?

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 10:59:18 GMT
But sometimes you have to let someone do something stupid (not life threatening) or negative so that they can learn from their own mistakes. It's well and good saying "don't do this because..." but sometimes people need to do the x despite the warnings, for proof and experience.

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 11:00:15 GMT
G. Heron says:
Dan Fante

"Not even the argument that says not doing so makes you worse than Jimmy Savile and Harold Shipman? ;-) "

You would think that would be the clincher wouldn't you, I must just be very stubborn.

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 11:02:06 GMT
BC says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 11:05:20 GMT
Dan Fante says:
Yes, TRULY wonderful.

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 11:06:31 GMT
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And here lies the difficult with religion - I don't believe that.
Imagine if you were murdered and get to meet your murderer again in Heaven. Hardly Heavenly.
I know what the Bible says about repentance and that, but I just don't buy it.

Guess I'll be joining you lot in BC's Hell ...

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 11:12:02 GMT
Drew Jones says:
"But sometimes you have to let someone do something stupid (not life threatening) or negative so that they can learn from their own mistakes."
But you would condemn a parent that allowed life threatening behaviour to be ignored because they didn't like to inhibit their darlings, right?

"It's well and good saying "don't do this because..." but sometimes people need to do the x despite the warnings, for proof and experience."
I refer you back to the scenario this analogy was referencing.

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 11:12:59 GMT
AJ Murray says:
Always room for one more Kodokushi, we'll save you a spot by the fireplace.

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 11:13:23 GMT
Drew Jones says:
It's a little warmer but a lot less sycophantic.

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 11:20:48 GMT
K. Hoyles says:
Ah yes, Evangelists. I remember now. My ex-husbands evangelist family felt sorry for their own mother for not having a belief in god. At the age of 72 she decided she was 'leaning towards the Buddhist philosophy'. She was a lovely, hard working, intelligent woman, an officer in the WAAf's during the war, then spent her life supporting her husband in running the family business. Her son tried to persuade her to return to the fold, otherwise she would burn in lakes of fire for eternity, but she wasn't impressed. Despite this, when she died they gave her an evangelists funeral to 'save her soul', something I know she wouldn't have approved of. I've never forgiven them for expecting their own mother to subscribe to this nonsense.

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 11:26:16 GMT
Pendragon says:
Morning BC

"We are truly near the end of the world".

Yes, Paul and, in particular, the Jesus of Mark's gospel both stated this to be the position, and that the end would come within a generation.

2000 years later we are still waiting.

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 11:33:42 GMT
Pendragon says:
BC

You say to Dan "You don't think the evidence exists, it is therefore impossible to find any."

Presumably you think the evidence does exist. Would you care briefly to summarise or list it for us?

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 11:52:28 GMT
BC says:
Hello again Pendragon. What many atheists interpret as evidence for God's non existence is actually proof of His long suffering to the world. The apostle Peter tells us "The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is long suffering to us ward, not willing that any should perish." I praise God that He didn't destroy the world before I, by his grace, repented of my sins. Regards.

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 12:12:25 GMT
Bellatori says:
Pendragon says:...

"Well meaning chap, dished out heaps of good advice, ... would probably be appalled at the religions that have since been founded in his name. I think he and I would get on rather well. "

Funnily enough that is almost exactly what I said in reply to the same type of question about Mohammed.

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 12:17:27 GMT
Bellatori says:
BC says:"Can I ask you, how do you deal with the guilt of wrong doing or sin?"

Don't know about Karen but I deal with it... by that, I mean, I do not go crying to local priest or beat myself up in a prayerfest in the hope that someone will forgive me because that is, IMHO, dishonest. It is your 'sin/wrong doing' so take a deep breath put your hand up and take the consequences. Unless, of course, you are a psychopath in which case you smile and go out and do it again until you are caught...

You make amends if you can, take the disapprobrium and move on, commiting to doing better next time.

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 12:17:56 GMT
"I have believed for a long time that to be a hardened atheist is the greatest sin a human being can commit"

It's alright though, a good moisturiser will sort that right out.

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 12:25:56 GMT
K. Hoyles says:
'In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 09:49:39 GMT
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BC says:
Hi Dan. As I asked another forum participant (and am still awaiting a response) what kind of evidence do you think would be acceptable to you to believe in God? And please kindly respond with apart from saying "It's up to you to get the evidence for me to consider." Also how do you deal with guilt for wrong doing? '

I replied (at length) to this question, but have not had a response. Maybe he's been too busy praying for an answer...

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 12:35:16 GMT
Pendragon says:
BC

"What many atheists interpret as evidence for God's non existence"

I am not aware of any evidence of this type, that is to say evidence that God does not exist.

You seemed to be suggesting that there is evidence that God does exist, but that Dan is personally unable to find it.

If there is evidence (by which I mean that which you would regard as evidence, not some slippery atheist definition of what evidence, to be acceptable, would consist of) that God does exist, surely you are able to describe it?

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 12:36:29 GMT
Pendragon says:
Hi Bella

Coincidence indeed. However, do you really think that Mohammed was a "well meaning chap"?

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 12:39:56 GMT
K. Hoyles says:
Bellatori - we instil into our children the importance of being responsible for our actions - for example I remember telling my son I didn't mind the odd swear word at home (that let me off the hook), but if he was caught swearing at school he would have to accept the punishment. Lo and behold, within the week he was in detention for swearing, unaware of the teacher walking behind him in the corridor. A very satisfying 'told you so' moment.

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 12:42:49 GMT
Bellatori says:
Yes, in many ways (but not all!) - He saw that his 'tribe' were failing. He drew up a handbook for survival, which IMO is what the Koran is, for that tribe. He organised things so that the tribe would pay attention and he even did the one thing that I really admire for someone 1000+ years ago, he tried to rig it so that things would be reinterpreted for the modern day. He new things changed. The problem is that the average Mullah in the third world cannot cope with this so they rely on rote repetition. It has caused Islam to ossify in the middle ages and that is so much to its detriment. Christianity had the same problem but science won over gullibility and ignorance. Sadly we may have to wait 500 years for Islam to do the same.

He was not perfect but saw a problem and tried hard to solve it. You cannot ask for more than that.

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 14:51:37 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 16:35:28 GMT
Ian says:
"T. J. Wade says:
...in God making you, your brain has morality at its centre."

"BC says:
(Prov.14:12) "There is a way that seems right unto a man but the ends thereof are the ways of death (hell, guilty judgement on Judgement Day and then the lake of fire for all eternity.""

If TJ is right, then Proverbs is wrong. I'm pretty sure TJ won't agree that The Bible is wrong, so TJ must be wrong.
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