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In reply to an earlier post on 2 Feb 2013 21:08:30 GMT
DB says:
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Posted on 2 Feb 2013 21:09:31 GMT
Bellatori says:
I am having a bit of a Heinlein purple patch today. I really loved his books. Somewhere I have a complete set... that's the trouble with downsizing... somewhere!

"History does not record anywhere at any time a religion that has any rational basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the unknown without help. But, like dandruff, most people do have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive considerable pleasure from fiddling with it."

Posted on 2 Feb 2013 21:25:07 GMT
DB says:
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Posted on 2 Feb 2013 21:39:47 GMT
Bellatori says:
"Why would the prejudices of a science fiction writer be of interest to anyone except science fiction readers."

Like any good writer he is able to put peoples thoughts into trenchant words. It is why we use quotations rather than share our poor fare.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Feb 2013 21:59:29 GMT
Drew Jones says:
No.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Feb 2013 22:07:05 GMT
C. A. Small says:
Bellatori- many thanks for one of the best quotes I have ever seen. Marvellous.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Feb 2013 22:24:53 GMT
Bellatori says:
Thank the authors!! Heinlein and Asimov both liked to stick aphorisms in their books. Heinlein to the point that in 'Time Enough for Love' there are whole chapters full of them and nothing else. Some of them very funny and often quite biting as you will have noticed. My favourite is actually by Isaac Asimov and comes from one of the early chapters of 'Foundation'. A character called Salvor Hardin makes a number of quotable aphorisms one of which I have often used and find still appropriate now.

"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent."

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Feb 2013 22:28:53 GMT
Last edited by the author on 2 Feb 2013 22:31:22 GMT
I re-read Bug Jack Barron last year and had forgotten this gem.

"The saddest day of your life isn't when you decide to sell out. The saddest day of your life is when you decide to sell out and nobody wants to buy."
― Norman Spinrad, from "Bug Jack Barron"

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Feb 2013 22:36:49 GMT
You are confusing JC with God perhaps. My humble opinion only. JC hung on the big X. God, well I have no clue about God. Man invented him, a man that is also his own bastard son to a 15 year old virgin, some feat and one heck of a legal case, not forgetting a spirit. Talk about schizophrenia. You? Me, for that matter? I do not believe in God in any traditional sense. But, in the limited sense that I do, I would agree, "You are indeed God" as am I. We are all a shadow or reflection of whatever it was that created life. Call it God, fine. Say he was a man, get a grip. Much more likely he was a woman! Christ I love religious discussions!

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Feb 2013 22:50:17 GMT
Last edited by the author on 3 Feb 2013 10:41:56 GMT
Ian says:
"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent."

I always tell my wife that reading the instructions is the last refuge of the incompetent; it makes using new things so dull and unexciting.

Posted on 3 Feb 2013 09:31:07 GMT
Last edited by the author on 3 Feb 2013 19:57:34 GMT
I don't quite understand, DB, why someone who writes sci-if isn't allowed to have an opinion, nor why you think they shouldn't.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Feb 2013 09:44:10 GMT
C. A. Small says:
Bellatori- just trawled through many Heinlein quotes- my ignorance of this mans brilliance is shameful, but is being addressed. Many thanks. What a great start to a Sunday!

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Feb 2013 19:53:19 GMT
Spin says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 3 Feb 2013 21:38:30 GMT
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Posted on 4 Feb 2013 09:00:47 GMT
Bellatori says:
DB says: .... C. S. Lewis

CS Lewis wrote fantasy. Is his opinion allowed but Heinlein's not? But then of course CS Lewis was a Christian so that probably makes it all right, whereas Heinlein only tackled issues of Racism, Xenophobia, Glorification of war ...

In reply to an earlier post on 4 Feb 2013 10:28:27 GMT
AJ Murray says:
Energy an mass have been defined, that equation i gave you contains both definitions and whilst we consider energy and mass to be equivalent, this does not make it the same phenomenon.

-"They are mere "descriptions" of a phenomenon that itself remains undefined."

I'm going to ask this again:

You've repeatedly dismissed descriptions both linguistic and mathematical for phenomena as not qualifiying as a definition.

What then is your definition of a definition? Describe it linguistically and render your objections void.

In reply to an earlier post on 4 Feb 2013 11:27:48 GMT
george scott says:
Bellatori - thanks for the quotes - I really must dig out my Heinlein books and re-read them. The quote I remember is that a theologian accused a philosopher of searching an unlit cellar at midnight for black cat that wasn't there, to which the philosopher replied "Maybe, but the difference between us is that you would find it."
I can't remember where or rather who it came from. Someone here should know.

In reply to an earlier post on 4 Feb 2013 12:38:02 GMT
The comedian Dave Allen had a joke like that.

In reply to an earlier post on 4 Feb 2013 13:12:40 GMT
AJ Murray says:
The earliest reference searching for black cats appears to be Confucious:

"The hardest thing of all is to find a black cat in a dark room, especially if there is no cat."

Which then becomes:

"Philosophy is like being in a dark room and looking for a black cat.
Metaphysics is like being in a dark room and looking for a black cat that isn't there.
Theology is like being in a dark room and looking for a black cat that isn't there and shouting 'I found it!'"

Which seems to be anonymous. But continuing the theme of SF writers:

"It is not so much that I have confidence in scientists being right, but that I have so much in nonscientists being wrong." ~ Isaac Asimov

Posted on 4 Feb 2013 14:22:23 GMT
JumeiraJames says:
There isn't. Now get on with your life.

In reply to an earlier post on 4 Feb 2013 14:59:23 GMT
Bellatori says:
... and he always ended his one man shows with the saying

".. and may YOUR God go with you."

Posted on 4 Feb 2013 16:38:09 GMT
Ian says:
My father always told me that when he was a young man living in Manchester his local Catholic priests were always in the pub when Dave Allen was on TV. Apparently their housekeeper didn't approve so they had to watch in the pub.

In reply to an earlier post on 4 Feb 2013 16:49:56 GMT
Spin says:
AJ; Are you serious? You want a definition of "Definition"? Do you not possess a dictionary? In short, to "define" is to determine with precision. A "Definition" is therefore a written or verbal expression of that precision.

In reply to an earlier post on 4 Feb 2013 17:07:19 GMT
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AJ Murray says:
-"Are you serious? You want a definition of "Definition"?"

I want your definition of definition, because according to you any mere linguistic description is not sufficient to merit the term definition.

-"Do you not possess a dictionary?"

I do. It is full of linguistic descriptions of the meaning of words.

-"In short, to "define" is to determine with precision. A "Definition" is therefore a written or verbal expression of that precision."

Sounds suspiciously linguistic in its description, that wouldn't be a definition then...

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