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In reply to an earlier post on 1 Aug 2013 16:45:01 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 1 Aug 2013 17:06:48 BDT
Drew Jones says:
"Indeed, and God has demonstrated His commitment to us by taking on the form of a human being, Jesus Christ, being tempted and suffering as all humans do, being falsely accused, condemned, and nailed to a Roman cross to die."
That doesn't demonstrate commitment to me, more insanity. And if he wanted to show commitment he's have stayed dead not bale out after three days.

"That's commitment for you."
No it's sadistic.

"In fact the bible uses a financial analogy which you have referred to, called redemption (or ransom). That is, Jesus Christ took upon Himself every wrongful act, thought, word (sin) of ours, when dying on the cross."
And vicarious redemption is immoral.

"So herein is the evidence of His love for us, the Cross of Jesus Christ, and also the empty tomb after He rose from the dead on the third day."
And where can I inspect this evidence and how is an empty tomb proof that he rose from the dead?

"I have no other evidence to offer, so the choice is yours whether to accept or reject God's free offer of forgiveness, redemption, and eternal life."
Non-belief is not a choice, it's a demand placed on our reasoning when the support is this poor.

"I will leave this with you and pray God's blessing on you, whatever you choose."
You do whatever you think will bring me round to see the validity of your god and I'll see how well it goes for you both.

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Aug 2013 17:09:27 BDT
K. Hoyles says:
"Indeed, this plan doesn't seem to make sense from a human understanding, but it's not a human plan - it's God's plan."

Yet you say it is "not blind faith without reason..." If you don't know the plan, what is the reason? (I'm assuming you're human?)

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Aug 2013 17:09:32 BDT
Drew Jones says:
"The burden of proof (that there is no God?) rests upon your shoulders, good luck!"
Walk us through the logic of that one please.

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In reply to an earlier post on 1 Aug 2013 17:37:06 BDT
richard says:
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The burden of proof (that there is no God?) rests upon your shoulders, good luck! ..............................

you'll be an invaluable asset to theology.

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Aug 2013 17:46:26 BDT
HJ: 'Words are worthless. Actions speak louder, as has been noted.'

AW: Words are actions and they often hurt. They can also have a great deal of value.

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Aug 2013 18:12:36 BDT
D C

You foolishly embrace human sacrifice and the ungodly notion that it is good to punish the innocent instead of the guilty.

Stop it. That is immoral.

In reality, if God did demand such a barbaric sacrifice, he would be sinning.
He would know that barbaric human sacrifice is immoral.

You do too. Right?

Those with good morals will know that no noble and gracious God would demand the sacrifice of a so called son just to prove it's benevolence.

When you die, Satan will ask you; How was your ticket to heaven purchased? With innocent blood?

When you say yes, you become his.

Regards
DL

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O.Binladen says:
>>>It was a simple test of obedience. Adam and Eve failed it,

If the christian claim that their god is omniscient is true, then he planned the whole thing, rather pointless, and sadistic if it were true.

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Aug 2013 19:41:58 BDT
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O.Binladen says:
Do you believe mermaids exist? Ho hum, where is your proof? After all the burden of proof appears to be yours.

Posted on 1 Aug 2013 20:02:27 BDT
Heretic says:
God makes man (and woman)
God says says do not eat poison apple because you will die
Man (and woman) eat apple and do not die (for a very long time)
Jesus says "you do not need to die anymore"
Then he dies
So does everyone else
Everyone goes to hell
except those that believed "you do not need to die anymore"
Everyone in heaven laughs at those in hell
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What is wrong with this picture? Everything!!

SWH

Posted on 1 Aug 2013 20:05:01 BDT
Your such a Heretic.

Regards
DL

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Aug 2013 20:39:32 BDT
richard says:
don't think i can be bothered with the book based on your review but i might watch the film when it comes out!

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D. Craddock says:
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K. Hoyles says:
So God will make a new heaven and a new earth. He made a mistake first time round, how do we know he won't make the same mistake again? Or will it be a case of third time lucky?

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Withnail says:
My reply would be "so Pascal's Wager worked then!"

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D. Craddock says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 1 Aug 2013 21:20:40 BDT
richard says:
i will say "grow up"

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Aug 2013 21:23:55 BDT
O.Binladen says:
D. Craddock says:
Dear Greatest I Am,
you are mistaken, I do not embrace human sacrifice, read your Old Testament, God hated those pagans who committed human and child sacrifice.

22:2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.

On that same night I will pass through Egypt and strike down every firstborn - both men and animals -and I will bring judgment on all the gods of Egypt. I am the LORD"
-Exodus 12:12

and that's just child sacrifice.

>>>And it was humankind who nailed Jesus Christ to the cross.

It was god's plan, else it could hardly be called Jesus's sacrifice if he didn't plan to do it.

>>>I don't know where you got the idea that I support punishment of the innocent. God does not do this.

If the bible is true then he murdered the first born male child in every household in Egypt, what one wonders were those children guilty of?

>>>But, your view (that there is no God?) leaves no room for justice.

On the contrary, it's the only view that leaves room for justice, theism isn't justice, just puppets enduring an eternity of servile slavery to a vengeful petulant, genocidal, egocentric god.

>>>So you tell me, what of all those who die having gotten away without punishment/justice (Hitler is an obvious example). Where is the justice in this?

Interesting point this one, first thing to note of course is that atheists don't "choose" this world view, they just accept that the all the evidence indicates it is this way. As far as Hitler is concerned he died alone, broken and scared, terrified that his enemies were closing on him, and forced to end his own life ignominiously and have his corpse burned lest it fall into his enemies hands. It's not ideal, but we can earn fro this and avoid leaders who are intolerant, and prejudiced, and likewise fight against ideologies that enslave and persecute, whilst trying to promote societies that give equal rights to every individual.

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