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In reply to an earlier post on 25 Jun 2013 21:03:30 BDT
Bellatori says:
I'll file that one away!!

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Jun 2013 21:11:38 BDT
DB says:
Occam

Sorry, not to get back to you sooner. I went to my grandson's summer pantomime. It was Jack and the Beanstalk. Unfortunately, the golden eggs kept rolling off the stage and being thrown back by the audience. Hilarious!

Of course, I agree with your summation.Who wouldn't?

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Jun 2013 21:19:48 BDT
Henry James says:
AJ
did you obtain that
argument from argument argument
from the
Department of Redundancy Department?

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Jun 2013 21:33:14 BDT
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AJ Murray says:
They helped with the title, but the rest is all my own work. I offer it as a rebuttal to all 20 arguments by Occam's Whetstone.

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Jun 2013 21:43:30 BDT
Bellatori says:
I am sure it was great fun. I am looking forward to my grandson being old enough to do such things!!

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Jun 2013 03:56:41 BDT
light says:
"(Occam: thanks for your posts: i will read them carefully late"

Don't forget your decoder ;o) aka college degree.

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Jun 2013 04:19:56 BDT
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light says:
Hi Henry,

"Pretend you're a lawyer: What would you put forward as the best evidence for God? Let's say the Christian God?"

Sorry that's impossible, God can't be found in law books and he is not owned by Christianity because God is universal, however the essence of God can be found in esoteric writings and the Spirit can be heard in the soul:

"The heavens declare the glory of God;
the skies proclaim the work of his hands.
Day after day they pour forth speech;
night after night they reveal knowledge.
They have no speech, they use no words;
no sound is heard from them.
Yet their voice goes out into all the earth,
their words to the ends of the world.
In the heavens God has pitched a tent for the sun.
It is like a bridegroom coming out of his chamber,
like a champion rejoicing to run his course.
It rises at one end of the heavens
and makes its circuit to the other;
nothing is deprived of its warmth."

There is a clue, as above so below, one should study the micro to reveal the macro, conception and pre-conception is a great place to start.

One more thing:

"even the darkness is not dark to you;
the night is bright as the day,
for darkness is as light with you.
For you formed my inward parts;
you knitted me together in my mother's womb.
I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made.
Wonderful are your works;
my soul knows it very well.
My frame was not hidden from you,
when I was being made in secret,
intricately woven in the depths of the earth.
Your eyes saw my unformed substance;

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The heavens proclaim the work of God using soundless voices that have no words.. Night is bright as day. The eyeless eyes of God see everything that is done in secret. The hills have eyes, creation sees everything and knows everything, the knowledge is hidden within the Universal Consciousness. The womb is the earth, the work is done by God's hands, hands that have no fingers, bone or skin.

"... just for fun."

Thanks Henry, that was fun ;o)
take care light

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Jun 2013 11:59:30 BDT
Same Occam, just Advocatin' in Satan's name.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Jun 2013 12:01:08 BDT
Actually it turns out they are, although the source was obscured.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Jun 2013 12:02:54 BDT
I simply hadn't seen you say it before DB. I assumed you agreed with it.

So to CAS

where does the above [quoted below] fall short of your expectations of DB?
"Some employees of the Catholic Church have abused their position to commit horrible crimes Doing so was bad The reaction of the Church has at times been less than best practice The Church should have done better and you hope it will do better?"

What else do you want her to do or think?

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Jun 2013 12:42:55 BDT
Jennifer,

I didn't say that "'you can't disprove it' makes it true". But it doesn't make it false either. In the same way your hair may be blue or not, for those of us not able to look at you, any statement of hair colouring (or even if you have hair at all) is a matter of faith.

I'm not a person who insists that my belief is true, though I do say that.

Nice hairstyle btw :)

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Jun 2013 13:21:04 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 28 Jun 2013 13:27:13 BDT
Difficult to know the answer to that. Most of my dealings with the courtroom come from watching the likes of CSI and some of the things they deal with often comes from evidence that is missing (I am always disappointed when a cop show has the murderer explain themselves away at the end).

The one court case I was involved in included an empty container as evidence - the contents of the container had been used up and how it had been obtained and used all related to anecdotal evidence based on witnesses, none of whom had actually witnessed the crime but had witnessed the effects. In the end on one of the counts it came down to my word against the accused. He lied under oath and I did not and yet he got off. It was one of the reasons I became an atheist (putting your hand on the Bible and swearing to tell the truth had no impact).

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Jun 2013 13:35:55 BDT
I don't mention the world being flat at all. That is your addition to the argument.

The number of people who believe the world was flat at one point is not millions and millions at all. Historians and archaelogists have shown that a flat Earth has always been a minority opinion, particularly as the curvature of the land can be seen by anyone who gets high up on a clear day.

Therefore there is a big difference between flat-earthers and believers in God, particularly in numbers of witnesses.

Also it is not difficult to prove the Flat-Earthers wrong. So far atheists have been singularly unable to prove theists wrong and seem to do their utmost to avoid doing so.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Jun 2013 13:38:47 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 28 Jun 2013 13:44:46 BDT
I'd say that the middle statement is wrong. They could ALL be wrong. But it becomes necessary to show that they are ALL wrong, or at least that the vast majority are wrong. Can this testimony be dismissed so easily?

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Jun 2013 13:46:07 BDT
You have experienced hallucinations, night terrors and delusions and they are not real, but you have not experienced deities, so how can you say that God is not real?

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Jun 2013 13:49:43 BDT
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O.Binladen says:
"You appear to be saying that the Earth WAS flat as long as people believed it to be so. "

No, it was you who were claiming this, by using your argumentum ad populum to validate belief in theism, I just pointed out the logical conclusion of the use of this flawed argument as regards the sheer number of humans that would have at some stage beieved the earth was flat, as has been explained by me and several others.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Jun 2013 13:51:46 BDT
O.Binladen says:
You said there was no rebuttal, so you're directly contradicting your earlier post now. The problem is that searching these forums is not easy and you, for whatever reason, post a few posts, then leave and don't come back for some time, so tracing the discourse is not easy.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Jun 2013 13:53:13 BDT
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O.Binladen says:
I think you know the difference between evidence and proof, so that's a silly question. The salient point goes to the unattainable nature of absolute proof, which some theists leap on as indicating something it usually does not.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Jun 2013 13:58:15 BDT
Bellatori says:
I don't. As my post pointed out there is no requirement to prove a negative. It is the assertion that there is a God that requires proof. As none is forthcoming my position is made for me by that lack.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Jun 2013 14:02:08 BDT
Bellatori says:
Why not? All children believe in Santa. They actually have some corroborating though circumstantial evidence viz. i saw mommy kissing santa claus 45 rpm single but they are still all wrong.

Those who believe in God have never produced any evidence worth talking about. The first religion that does will simply 'eat' all the others. It hasn't happened yet which is quite telling in my view.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Jun 2013 14:03:39 BDT
Bellatori says:
"You have experienced hallucinations, night terrors and delusions and they are not real," Actually they are as a mental state and relate to our physiology.

"but you have not experienced deities, so how can you say that God is not real?"
Because of a lack of evidence. Same argument to mermaids, dragons etc...
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