"You are still totally wrong."
"I was sceptical of the Joseph Smith incident because I thought he was the only witness to the supernatural events."
Well I'm happy to have corrected you. Mormons can cite three times the written eye witness testimony you can, testimony that has the names of people we have a lot if information and documentation of, as evidence it more than meets some of the standards you have outlined for accepting claims, it falls to your not fitting with Christianity caveat to find grounds to reject them.
"Now you tell me there were witnesses, so let us consider this."
OK, let's consider it...
"Could there have been a supernatural event as described by Smith & others? The answer is yes. So what is the problem?"
Was that the consideration? There's a few problems with it like, what is it really conceding as possible? I doubt you want to be accused of being evasively ambiguous so how given the superior numbers of testimony to the golden plates do you accept their existence is revatively more possible or less possible than say, the ressurrection.
"I have absolutely no idea what your purpose is in trying to equate your two threads with the gospel accounts."
I was seeing how you approach claims of miracles. What questions you ask, the considerations that come to the fore, the interest in claims of evidence and you you follow it up for miracles you don't accept and haven't yet meet. Also what you will claim for the miracles you do accept.
"On the one hand there are two seperate sets of writing that contradict each other and on the other there is one set of writing that presents a coherent whole."
Which is which? My report of levitation has been consistent, the Mormon claims and names for witnessing the golden plates are consistent, of you want to get into the discripemcirs of the Gospels ressurrection accounts I'd be happy to do do. The only discrepancy you think you found is in my history but you have recently cited Thomas' conversion from sceptic to believer through seeing, that is my standard too, that's all.
"Why even try to suggest that they are the same?"
Because elements in each are the same, sometimes the Mormon claim has an excess of testimony compared to the Gospels four.
"Your approach is contradictory and illogical and and is not one that I and the gospels have employed."
Nothing contradictory in my levitation claim, if you want to call it illogical make your case, so far it's been ad hominem because I was and am more sceptical than you.
"My approach is accept the possibilities of miracles and then deal with each claim it comes along."
I say your dealings have been revealed to be more interested in what is and isn't Christain rather than testing claims and their professed evidence as they come to you, you've been highly selective in which cases we move forward with and what is left in the discussion, not to mention how non-committal you have been to really say what you mean by allowing Islamic and Mormon supernatural events to be possible or from God.
"You on the other hand seem not to know whether miracles happen or should be denied."
I deny them until I see them, I saw a man levitate and have been consistent in standing by this.
"How can you contradictions even come close to the consistent approach I have tried to make (whether successful or not)."
Tried to make? The successful or otherwise in your attempt to be consistent can't be in question if this challenge is to have merit.
"Make up your mind - either you believe in levitation and therefore have to accept the possibility that other miracles/supernatural events can occur,..."
I believe levitation happened, my position on other miracles is as it was: in the absence of any reliable, relevant and fitting evidence they are as possible as the vast array of everything that could be said to be *possible*. I think you know, as hinted in your opening paragraph, how limp the admission something is possible can be though.
"... or you don't and are forced to admit that which I already know as true - that you made up the story for effect - one which has totally backfired because it was stupidlly applied."
Would you have entertained a hypothetical with any greater sense of worth?
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