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What is the "Atheist" basis of morality?


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In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 09:56:37 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 10:03:48 GMT
G. Heron says:
BC

" "But the Lord (the God of the Bible) He is the True God, He IS the Living God, and an everlasting king, at His wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation (Jeremiah 10:11.)
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Well there is a surprise , the Christian Bible claims that the Christian god is the true god, of course it doesn't offer any reasoning or evidence behind this claim and it does offer some rather interesting ideas related to plate tectonics.

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 10:06:34 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 10:07:31 GMT
AJ Murray says:
-"AJ Murray. You don't just have to find a god, but you must then find the right one."

There are so many to choose from though all with the same levels of evidence; none.

-"The true God has taken great care to reveal absolute truth to you in the Holy Bible."

The Bible begins with the Hebrew deity and its attendent mythology, the NT is just an overlaying of the cult of personality that accreted around Jesus. It isn't much of an improvement.

-"This is validated by all we see around us."

No, it really isn't.

-"I encourage you read the bible humbly, beginning at John's Gospel."

I've read the Bible, and you begin with Genesis.

-"Listen to these words I was reading this morning "But the Lord (the God of the Bible) He is the True God, He IS the Living God, and an everlasting king, at His wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation (Jeremiah 10:11.) "

The Bible God is the true God because it says so in the Bible? Can you say circular reasoning?

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In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 10:14:42 GMT
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Dan Fante says:
The judgement of someone who thinks not believing in some god is worse than child rape isn't really something I'm going to lose sleep over to be honest.

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 10:18:32 GMT
G. Heron says:
BC

"G. Heron. I have just prayed that God may be pleased to reveal His conviction of sin, righteousness and judgement, then His amazing love, forgiveness and relentless grace to your poor sin sick soul. "

Well he hasn't bothered for the last 50 years but I will let you know what happens. by the way I have no reason to assume that I have a soul whatever that is.

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 10:18:38 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 10:20:12 GMT
AJ Murray says:
-"AJ Murray. (Prov.14:12) "There is a way that seems right unto a man but the ends thereof are the ways of death"

Yeah, i think if you have to get your morality dictated to you from some book the perhaps you are not that moral a person. Doesn't consideration of ethics and the consequences of your actions come into this anywhere?

-"(hell, guilty judgement on Judgement Day and then the lake of fire for all eternity.)"

I take it from this that you're not a believer in the other fluffier Hell where one is removed from God's presence?

-"I humbly urge you to repent of your sin and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ while there is still time."

I have no sins and if your mythology is true i have all eternity to ponder the question. Upon my death should i be brouight into the presnce of your deity, i will then be the most convinced believer ever.

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 10:24:31 GMT
Drew Jones says:
"Yet if you go to tell a child off for the first time they have an expression that say I know it was wrong."
Or that they don't like being told off/shouted at. It's as they get older they will avoid being detected and develop the ability to feel remorse.

"I believe that there is one god who is completely holy and righteous and just. He created in the beginning one morality. Yet we as humans decided not o follow that and that is where the variations come from"
That would make us more powerful than your god. It's also terrible parenting, what would you think of an adult that allowed their children to do as they pleased, harming themselves as they went but justifying it because they are free? You'd think them irresponsible.

"As for those words no godly is a term that means like God if god is perfect and righteous then that is the right way of seeing things an other word for it is holy."
Euthyphro Dilemma. Are the things your god demands righteous because he declares them? Then morality is arbitrary. Does he declare on what is good, then good does not rely on him. It's only through special pleading and/or a might makes right case you can pretend to resolve the issues you'd raise for morality.

"As for sin what ever is not godly or holy therefor is sin - not what god wants or is not righteous."
I bet the Bible isn't quite your bench mark for finding this out. It's more personal and interpreted yet somehow not coming only from you but an invisible, inaudible third party. Am I right?

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In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 10:27:11 GMT
G. Heron says:
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" You must believe the Bible to be the revealed Word of God in order to be saved from hell, judgement and the lake of fire."

Talk about a circular argument, you have to believe in the Bible to be saved from the punishment that is promised you in the Bible.

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 10:29:19 GMT
C. A. Small says:
I would rather be in hell with the loose women, beer and motorcycles than in heaven with a sanctimonious prig like you.

But since neither heaven or hell exist- I will die happy I have not wasted my life on a delusion.

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 10:30:51 GMT
Dan Fante says:
You're either on the wind-up and saying these things for a bite or you're sincere. I'm not sure which is more odious. Probably the latter (which is also most likely, sadly).
Cheers for the quotes from your favourite novel though.

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 10:34:06 GMT
BC says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 10:36:17 GMT
Drew Jones says:
"As I asked another forum participant (and am still awaiting a response) what kind of evidence do you think would be acceptable to you to believe in God?"
A re-enactment of the resurrection with full access given to specialists or insightful revelation would help greatly.

"Also how do you deal with guilt for wrong doing?"
You address the party harmed, not some third party.

"Also how can society survive if everyone has an individual standard as to what right and wrong is?"
You can't, by definition. But we don't have that, there is common interest enough for us to objectively define a social contract between ourselves by ourselves.

"Aren't you merely a god to yourself in this respect?"
If that's how you define a god then I guess we can't help but qualify. Are you the god of appointing the correct god?

"Moreover, don't you have to have absolute knowledge to know that there is no God?"
No. You have to have intellectual honesty, then you make your references in respect to reason.

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 10:43:43 GMT
TomC says:
"As I asked another forum participant (and am still awaiting a response) what kind of evidence do you think would be acceptable to you to believe in God? "

If you are referring to me, I gave you my answer, and a very full one I thought. The offer to entertain Jesus and his mum for the afternoon in return for a magic show is still open. I will even buy some Jaffa Cakes specially - I can hardly say fairer than that, can I ?

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 10:43:48 GMT
"what would you think of an adult that allowed their children to do as they pleased, harming themselves as they went but justifying it because they are free? You'd think them irresponsible"

What kind of 'harm' are you thinking of ?

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Posted on 7 Mar 2013 10:46:16 GMT
Dan Fante says:
BC's epitaph:
"As I said to an atheist acquaintance once"
:P

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 10:47:44 GMT
TomC says:
He does seem to have a lot of them, doesn't he?

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 10:48:59 GMT
Drew Jones says:
"You have devised comfortable get out of belief in God arguments for yourself. As I said to an atheist acquaintance once, you have the equivalent of a Phd in all the answers against religion, especially Christianity."
Quite an inditement against the validity of the Bible, Christianity and their origins if a human can comfortably argue against all of it. It's almost as if it's success if heavily reliant on your ability to reason for it.

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 10:50:01 GMT
BC says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 10:51:04 GMT
G. Heron says:
BC

"You have devised comfortable get out of belief in God arguments for yourself"

No , I just haven't been presented with any argument that would make me believe in a god.
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