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If God made Man "in his own image" why is it the case that theists condemn the actions and beliefs of those their God created?


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In reply to an earlier post on 31 May 2012 16:28:56 BDT
Philosophy ey

In reply to an earlier post on 31 May 2012 18:34:15 BDT
doctor_jeep says:
There is no book of Hezekiah in the Bible.

It's generally used as a source of false quotes in the same way that Hollywood uses "555" as a fake area code.

This for the benefit of anyone who is unfamiliar with the Bible.

In reply to an earlier post on 31 May 2012 19:09:32 BDT
Spin says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 31 May 2012 19:15:10 BDT
Spin says:
doctor: So mans physical body is in Gods image but mans mind is his own? And God created man to have his own mind? Why, then, does God punish independent thought and action which he advocated?

In reply to an earlier post on 31 May 2012 19:27:42 BDT
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On many occasions it is stated within the Qur'an that 'your messenger is not possessed, neither is he a poet'. This is because the hearers at the time thought he was mad sometimes, or maybe a soothsayer.

It's possible it could have been equated with attitudes at the time towards epilepsy sufferers.

In reply to an earlier post on 31 May 2012 19:38:11 BDT
Spin says:
CE: it is a modern myth that epilepsy sufferers were seen as being possessed. Epilepsy was considered divine. In fact, when mohamed began to "hear"allah, he entered a trance-like state, not an epileptic fit. And the qu'ran was not considered poetry at the time, for it was recited, not written in down words. Mohameds words were colllected in a book after his death. In writing the words down, they became "poetry".

In reply to an earlier post on 31 May 2012 19:45:51 BDT
NO! You mean I've been lied to all this time. Those really are photographs of my children (no idea how, since I have no children).

You are a spoilsport!

In reply to an earlier post on 31 May 2012 20:11:38 BDT
OK then. Actually I really like a version of the Qur'an I have that has a small section with the original Arabic script. Even though it's not useful to me of course as I do not read Arabic, it helps me to remember where the text is coming from. Also, I chose the slightly antiquated translation in earlier publications because of the poetic style.

However it does say clearly in the Christian Community Bible that Jesus 'cured' a boy with epilepsy (Matthew 17:18) that Jesus commanded the 'evil spirit' to leave the boy. The NIV talks about 'an impure spirit' that possesses the boy.

In reply to an earlier post on 31 May 2012 20:28:04 BDT
Spin says:
CE: I do not deny that the Qu'ran is poetic. It is indeed a beautiful expression of arabic language and culture. But I do not consider it to be the word of God, anymore than I consider the poetry of the Old Testament Psalms or the poetry of the Gospels "Revelations" to be the word of God.

In reply to an earlier post on 31 May 2012 20:59:50 BDT
Last edited by the author on 31 May 2012 21:01:21 BDT
Kodokushi: I hesitate to respond with a pasted biblical text (especially an americanised one) to your suggestion that Christian passivity might be likened to being a doormat, but I can't explain it better than the Bible does:

10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

(Ephesians 6:10-17)

In reply to an earlier post on 31 May 2012 21:15:09 BDT
Wow Spin, this might be the first post of yours that I've agreed with in its entirety!

You have a great insight into Islam. You aren't a secret one are you? :P

In reply to an earlier post on 31 May 2012 21:21:22 BDT
Sam Hunter has been demanding objective evidence for a creator, you I think are asking about non-personalised evidence of revelation, and it is easier to explain what it is not, and what the personality of the Prophet was not than to put across what it is. The evidence is given in the Qur'an, which you can accept or otherwise.

In reply to an earlier post on 31 May 2012 21:24:08 BDT
Spin says:
Harry: I spent much of my life, youth and career in arabic nations. While I disagree with Islam, I understand the reasoning behind its support. Unlike the western bible, the Qu'ran is not considered a "tome" dictating a lifestyle,, it IS a way of life, culture and art.

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Jun 2012 07:43:02 BDT
Well from that it seems to be in my favour of standing up against those who would put you down. But hey, guess it's all in the interpretation ;)

Posted on 2 Jun 2012 21:49:51 BDT
Spin says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jun 2012 23:20:43 BDT
Spin. Your post has caught my attention.

I'm curious, perhaps you could name a few things atheists do not understand about religion, and a few things theists do not understand about science?

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Jun 2012 00:07:23 BDT
Spin says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 3 Jun 2012 14:40:19 BDT
I've asked for your opinion on the matter :)

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Jun 2012 18:38:20 BDT
Spin says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 3 Jun 2012 18:52:17 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 3 Jun 2012 21:00:20 BDT
Spin says:
Glorify: Well, as a Mohameddan bully who beats his wife, abuses his kids, and then indulges in sodomy and drugs as a celebration of my faith in Satan,, what would I know?

Posted on 3 Jun 2012 22:11:08 BDT
Last edited by the author on 3 Jun 2012 22:17:20 BDT
NS dancer says:
The God DelusionThe first commandment says we shall have no other gods, because He [Yahweh/Jehovah etc] is a jealous god. Later in the bible he floods the whole world because of humankind's 'wickedness' If this involves worshiping idols, it is rather hard on the majority of the world's population at the time, who He NEVER TOLD ABOUT HIMSELF. Then God let the devil talk him into doing all sorts of horrible things to poor Job to prove a point... I'm not so sure being made in God's image is so good....

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Jun 2012 22:16:01 BDT
Spin says:
NS: NO. The first commandment clearly says "Thou shalt have no Gods before me". This is not an dictate to worship none but Yahweh, but a demand that you do not consider your own family, community or cultural gods to be superior to Yahweh. ("No Gods BEFORE me") Read the text instead of assuming things.

In reply to an earlier post on 4 Jun 2012 17:34:11 BDT
Last edited by the author on 4 Jun 2012 17:35:40 BDT
I hate to point this out, but the flood comes BEFORE the commandment, not after and Job's situation likely took place between the two (at the time of Abraham).

Is this another example of Dawkins' failings, or is it something you came up with yourself, in which case why the plug for the book?

In reply to an earlier post on 5 Jun 2012 11:37:44 BDT
C. A. Small says:
WDB- a small but valid point, there was no flood as detailed in that well known book of horrible myths, the bible.
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