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In reply to an earlier post on 25 Apr 2012 16:36:25 BDT
Tom M says:
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Posted on 25 Apr 2012 16:37:07 BDT
Spin says:
A Penis being sucked by a man feels the same as a penis being sucked by a woman. An orgasm does not discriminate between gender. It is your own shallowness, and ignorance concerning sexuality, which dictates your so-called "morality".

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Apr 2012 16:45:44 BDT
Isobel Ayres says:
"How does my natural repugnance at the smell of feces, which apparently you don't share involve 'judging' others. "

Because it's all you see, Tom, and you refuse to acknowledge the fact that many homosexual men *do not have anal sex* and therefore the smell of faeces is nothing to do with them. It also has nothing to do with lesbian relations, but you don't focus on them because your interest in homosexuality is prurient.

The fallacies are all yours, as you tie yourself in knots trying to pass off your hatred as 'caring' for poor maladapted homosexuals. You twist your 'facts' to meet your prejudice and completely ignore anything that inconveniently doesn't fit. For example, you've stated somewhere upthread that marriage is for procreation and sterile liasons are therefore wrong, but you are not here shouting about the disgusting marriages of sterile men to women (or vice versa) which would also result in a sterile marriage.

You also continuously repeat that homosexuality is 'curable', when it demonstrably isn't.

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Apr 2012 16:47:42 BDT
Isobel Ayres says:
Yep, same old blah blah. What about those homosexuals from loving, two parent religous homes, Tom? What are you going to blame that on?

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Apr 2012 17:11:29 BDT
Maria says:
I am awaiting the reply to this too.

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Apr 2012 17:35:48 BDT
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Posted on 25 Apr 2012 17:39:53 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 25 Apr 2012 17:52:17 BDT
Shakepen says:
Tom: What was his side of the story? What should the priest have done if she revealed her lesbian relationship in confession? Should the priest absolve her and then give her communion, or should he withhold communion, knowing that she was going to change? Or should the priest simply refused confession?

But in the end, how is it that the priest refused to give her communion and deny communion in public? Did he know that she was a lesbian? If so, how? Where was he when she confessed? You've got to admit, Tom, that the priest acted like a clod. He deliberately went out of his way to humiliate the woman...and that's not Christian.

Posted on 25 Apr 2012 18:11:19 BDT
Spin says:
Where you stick your pleasure is, of course, of great concern to God. He cares not for hunger, disaster and disease, merely where you choose to stick your manhood...

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Apr 2012 19:40:21 BDT
Maria says:
"Manufacturing the next generation of victims by your neglect" how dare you say that disagreeing with your opinion results this way. People are not manufactured, caring and loving those in the true sense of the word is not neglect. Neither is showing them your bigoted ,dictatorial, patronising attitude is not unique but is certainly unkind, inaccurate and not representative of most Catholic thinking. Others of other religious or non religious beliefs of course state their own opinions.

Posted on 25 Apr 2012 19:47:30 BDT
Spin says:
Humanity? Yeah, right. Humanity has nothing to do with you how you think or act. you are completely objective in all thought... And you tell us what "God" or "Government" is? Excuse me but; "Har"!

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Apr 2012 20:39:05 BDT
Tom M says:
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Posted on 25 Apr 2012 20:41:02 BDT
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Posted on 25 Apr 2012 20:50:19 BDT
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Posted on 25 Apr 2012 20:52:10 BDT
Spin says:
"God" bless us..

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Apr 2012 23:36:03 BDT
Maria says:
I believe that homosexual behaviour is a matter of nature, not all the reasons you give. I do not regard homosexuals as having "fallen by the wayside". Being different than others doesn't mean wrong-merely different. I am not brainwashed or indifferent just informed, intelligent & capable of making my own decisions. With any study by a group of scientists there is always another that says the opposite, so I have learnt to judge for myself. All things in life can be dangerous ,from crossing the road onwards. Taking sensible precautions is what young people need teaching and eventually they realise this themselves. I have gay relatives and friends and they are all nice, caring helpful people. Try some humility-yours is one way of thinking-that doesn't make it right, certainly not for all.

Posted on 26 Apr 2012 00:12:50 BDT
Tom M says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 26 Apr 2012 01:51:42 BDT
Last edited by the author on 26 Apr 2012 01:56:43 BDT
Shakepen says:
Tom: this explanation is much more than was given in the papers. The papers noted that the woman was denied communion. The way the situation was presented was that the woman was kneeling, waiting for the Eucharist and was denied. I do not believe that any priest should have to perform any ceremony that is in conflict with his understanding of church policy or his own moral feelings. But, then, I don't want people to be embarrassed either. Thanks for the post.

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Apr 2012 01:54:19 BDT
Shakepen says:
Tom: I'm happy that you feel good after communion and have the feeling of the presence of God. My mother attended a catholic boarding school. Her faith has been a source of comfort for her over the years. Let me tell you, it sure beats psychoanalysis!

Posted on 26 Apr 2012 07:36:26 BDT
http://tinyurl.com/73tllmv

It has been reported today that the Roman Catholic Church wrote to every state-funded Catholic secondary school in England and Wales and urged them to get pupils to sign an anti-gay marriage petition. In at least one school this included a one-sided video presentation.

If you want an example of the harm that religion causes to society, then this is it. Preaching bigotry to schoolchildren and manipulating them for political ends. Everyone involved should be ashamed of themselves.

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Apr 2012 09:54:31 BDT
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Isobel Ayres says:
"Some studies have shown that up to one in three kids who ends up behaving homosexually was homosexually abused at the median age of 11. "

"some studes".."up to" i.e. the majority aren't. Did you know that according to the NSPCC "nearly a quarter of young adults experienced sexual abuse during childhood"? Your stats prove nothing other than that there are a bunch of damaged people in the world.

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Apr 2012 09:55:41 BDT
Isobel Ayres says:
Because you're on Amazon.co.uk, fool, and 4.45 is too late for lunch.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Apr 2012 00:43:35 BDT
F Cadell says:
Enjoyed the clarity of your blog. Yes the whole homosexual marriage thing which I am opposed to because I believe it cynically debases the idea of family, DOES also challenge us the believing community (as opposed to non-believing bishops) to look at our own hypocritical nature as in the stoning of the woman you discuss above, but as you say WITHOUT forgetting that "if salt loses its taste what is it good for". In other words without forgetting that there is something special and unique about the traditional family that transcends rather than denies the existence of sexuality and what may or may not be its aberrations. In other words it is the positive aspect of heterosexuality rather than the negative aspect of homosexuality, that matters here.

What of our hypocrisy? We need to be able to avoid being too judgemental as this technique seperates the chaff from the wheat, which is against Jesus wishes. On the other hand, we need to say what we stand for. Only OBEDIENCE AS EXEMPLIFIED BY OUR LORD, can save us here, including obedience to a deeper deposit of faith. Which is why Anglicans are a bit shakier than Catholics on this, I think.

Note that all Christians have to become less focused on fulfilling their sexuality or "self-love" in general than on fulfilling their spirituality as they mature as Christians, whether they are heterosexual or homosexual. I suspect that a lot of the hypocrisy centres around that truth about us as sinners. Of course it is also a Christian oxymoron, that in order to gain our lives we have to lose them. This is all about the true nature of personal freedom, which includes developing the freedom of self-denial, in order to find true self.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Apr 2012 05:44:55 BDT
Shakepen says:
FC: the adulterous woman is generally agreed to be a scribal insert rather than a true tale. The reason scholars make this assertion is that the incident is not included in the earliest manuscripts, plus the fact that when this incident is left out of the Gospel, there is no break int he narrative.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Apr 2012 05:46:16 BDT
Shakepen says:
FC: I forgot to mention, I liked your post: it revealed Christian humility.
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