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In reply to an earlier post on 21 Mar 2013 23:44:27 GMT
Spin says:
Henry: First, Do not call me "Mr". Secondly, if you rely on Google to gain knowledge, then you are not as "knowledgable" as you proclaim to be. Did you get your degree by being able able to Google the answers? Please do nit insukt me. Keep that rubbish for the "face-tube" society. Lastly, exactly what evidence is there for the Big Bang? And do not give me evidence concerning what exists now, and working back to what you think caused it. The matter in the universe may not have begun in BB, but the BB is simply a phenomenon that occured in THIS part of an infinite universe. Proof of the BB, not theory based on current observation. You deny religious belief because it is based on past unobservable events, yet you base your thought on such things. Lastly, there is no evidence for "Evolution". There is evidence of Natural Selection, but none whatsoever of "Evolution".

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Mar 2013 23:53:09 GMT
Henry James says:
Gee whiz, Spin, I try to be polite to you by calling you Mister and you slap me down for it. There is no winning for losing, eh???
As an expatriated American (I came in 1868) I am trying to adopt the elevated British manners. Give me another 100 years.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Mar 2013 23:56:04 GMT
Last edited by the author on 22 Mar 2013 00:00:04 GMT
Henry James says:
Regarding your aspersions on Google:
"Scientific" studies have been done to show that Google is more accurate than the "blinkin" Encyclopedia Brittanica, especially on scientific matters.

You apparently prefer to live in the first century AD/CE, given your adherence to the scripture. But the Encl Brit is no longer unquestioned scripture - Google is more accurate.
Sorry to disrupt your superstitions.
(you *could* do some research on google to verify my assertions re the Encl Brit).
Oh, and by the way, the British Empire is dead also.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Mar 2013 23:58:01 GMT
Henry James says:
I am getting to love you.
However, every post you make tends to confirm Small's implication that you are a Know-Nothing, and proud of it.
But, really, I love you more and more every day.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 Mar 2013 23:59:11 GMT
Last edited by the author on 22 Mar 2013 00:04:18 GMT
Henry James says:
Regarding *evidence* for the Big Bang,
I would repeat your countryman Richard Dawkins' advice:
"Read a Book."
here is one to start with
Big Bang: The Most Important Scientific Discovery of All Time and Why You Need to Know About It

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Mar 2013 00:02:17 GMT
Spin says:
Henry: Do not take offence. I simply asked you not to call me "Mr". I do not consider myself to be "above" anyone else. I am not a "Mr", I am "Spin". My tag refers to the fact that I consider all discussions to be propoganda, including my own, and to the fact that I was listening to Pearl Jams "Spin the Black Circle" at the time I signed on and the fact that for some time I monitored electrons and regulated their "spin" for a large amount of cash. =)

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Mar 2013 00:04:21 GMT
Spin says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 22 Mar 2013 00:12:14 GMT
Henry James says:
There you are just COMPLETELY wrong.
A GOOD university education trains you to be able to evaluate information and opinions CRITICALLY.

Information and opinions on the NET are no different than information and opinions in Books or in Lectures. They ALL must be evaluated critically. A good university education helps one do that.

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Mar 2013 00:14:31 GMT
Henry James says:
The other point you ignore, SPIN=meister, (are YOU spinning???)
is that independent studies have shown that Wikipedia is more reliable than the Encyclopedia Blinkin Brittanica on scientific matters.

So, are you still stickin to your 'cyclopedia?"

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Mar 2013 00:14:43 GMT
Last edited by the author on 22 Mar 2013 00:18:45 GMT
Pipkin says:
Hi Henry,
I am enjoying this thread, though have to confess that some of it I do not understand, because it is outside my area of knowledge or interest. However, I am very interested in why ''Religion'' got such a strangle hold over supposedly civilised nations.
I have been investigating Egyption culture and came upon this, which I thought you might find interesting? Published in the Above Top Secret website.
You probably know it anyway... but others might find some of it useful.
Many religions predated the Christian mythology of virgin birth, 3 "kings" in the east, performing miracles, resurrectionl etc.
Sirius was the "star of the east" lined up with the three stars in the belt of Orionl referred to as the ''three kings'' -- at winter solstice.
The Constellation Virgo is also referred to as "the Virgin" and "The House of Bread" -- Bethlehem translates as "The House of Bread."
The Southern Cross is in the sky. On Dec. 22, 23, 24 when the sun is lowest on the horizon of all year ... then, on the 25th, it is ''born'' again, and begins to rise in the sky more each day from the horizon and this is the death of winter, so to speak, as we now head towards spring.
The Jesus story is basically the rewrite (or plagarism) of the Egyptian sun god.
The light is the Sun/Son ... There was no electricity back then, the sun supplied energy for the crops -- hence, the "Sun God/Son of God".
The ages will be astronomically and astrologically explained, soon -- in terms of what an "age" is.
Every 2,150 years the sunrise comes up in the next house of the zodiac, i.e. in the next constellation. It takes 25,750 years for the sun to work its way around the zodiac, so to speak. Every 2,150 year period is called, an "age".
For example the age of Moses is Aries the Ram. The age of Jesus is Pisces. We are almost in the age of Aquarius.
The golden bull was not an idol, that's propaganda, it was a symbol of the astrological and astronomical "age" of Taurus ending, and Aries beginning.
Many cultures also observed and "worhipped" astronomy in this way, as they felt astronomy is God's mathematics, so to speak, and "divine order in the universe" -- which it is of course..
"End of the world propaganda" was really supposed to be describing the end of one age and going into the other. Pretty damn simple, wasn't it? No hocus pocus...except of course for the magic of existance in the first place.
Now all the references to "ages" makes sense.
Virgin birth etc and the whole basic mythology of Christianity is actually straight copy of Egyptian mythology. Isis and Osirus?Josephus (apparently Saul or Paul, according to one Egyptologist) copied Egyptian mythology and morphed it into Christain mythology.
All the landmark events were landmark events in Egypt mythology; before they were ever Jewish , Christain or Islamic religious mythology.
Jesus story seems to be a copy of the Egyptian story of sun appreciators and astronomers and astrologers. all the same back then -- all based on the Egyptian sun mythologies.
Odd that none of the 30-40 historians of the time mention Jesus or Christ or his miracles like walking on water and rising up to heaven. It never made the news.....
Only 4 historians mention 'Christ' and don't mention Jesus at all. Three of them only have 2-3 sentences IN TOTAL about Christ -- which wasn't a name, it means, 'the annointed'.
Josephus the fake historian, may have been Saul/Paul and did TWO histories, one for the State and one for his version of religion ... apparently the State version was the history of the pharoahs?.
**From the Egyptologist Thomas Paine's theories.

Sorry it is so long, but you may have time to read it, because most of the UK posters will be in bed now, for it is 12pm.


In reply to an earlier post on 22 Mar 2013 00:24:00 GMT
Henry James says:
Thanks Margaret
YES. Everyone should know these facts. There is little or no question about them at this point, for people who have seriously investigated these matters.

I am still getting over the fact that Jesus was pretty certainly NOT born in Bethlehem (only 1 or 2 of the 4 gospels make that assertion).

Any intelligent person who reads the Bible and who reads biblical scholarship SHOULD be aware, but they are not, so your post is helpful to our education.

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Mar 2013 08:46:12 GMT
C. A. Small says:
Henry - did you see the news last night about the latest pictures of the earliest universe? Wonderful example of science at it's best.

BTW- Archibald is a theist and is therefore incapable of comprehending that the bible is drivel. However he puts it - what he actually means is "the bible is correct, therefore science is wrong", and when he puts that he doesn't find the evidence convincing means "I cannot be convinced because it contradicts the bible".

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Mar 2013 08:50:00 GMT
C. A. Small says:
As I said- Archibald is a dogmatic theist. Scientists annoying? Those silly people that have given us medicine, physics, chemistry et al, compared to the religious leaders in their dresses and finery, spouting bollox that is unevidenced, ignorant, and frequently misogynistic and homophobic. Science has driven us forward, religion drags us back.

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Mar 2013 08:52:36 GMT
Henry James says:
Small - You have to admit that them scientists be always askin dem irritatin' questions!!!

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Mar 2013 08:52:41 GMT
C. A. Small says:
Henry- I hate to say I told you so but.......

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Mar 2013 08:54:46 GMT
Henry James says:
Yeah, I know Small, and I knew, but I try to have a Christian love and tolerance for my fellow humans. Even for my brother.

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Mar 2013 09:41:22 GMT
C. A. Small says:
Hi Henry- christian love and tolerance has historically meant a red hot poker inserted in to anyone who disagreed!

I am not sure if you get BBC news in the afterlife but this caught my attention -

It confirms the big bang theory, but scientists will need to adjust certain parts of their theories, something they are incredibly pleased and excited about. Nothing demonstrates the gulf between science and religion more. On one side a desire to learn more, and joyfully admit that they have to modify a theory to fit in with new evidence/knowledge, on the theistic side a desire to adjust the evidence to fit in with their stone age "truth".

I have a wonderful polo shirt emblazoned with "blasphemy is a victimless crime!"

Cheers, Clive.

P.S. Welcome to the forums. Aside from the (obvious) dumbass posters there are some very smart cookies on here from whom I have learned a lot. And hope to learn more.

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Mar 2013 09:43:52 GMT
Last edited by the author on 22 Mar 2013 09:47:13 GMT
K. Hoyles says:
Hi Clive, good post, thanks for the link.

Edit: awaiting the usual response from DB...

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Mar 2013 10:03:03 GMT
C. A. Small says:
Hi Karen, waiting for the usual response from Diane is like waiting for the next shower of rain- it usually turns up, but really is not worth the wait!

On a happier note, we had a buzzard land in the field yesterday, the lambs are gambolling about, the lawn bunnies are keeping the grass down, but I have to plant a new hedge (100 hornbeam, plus some lavender and ceanothus) as part of my dormouse corridor project, and also as a home for birds, butterflies, bees and small mammals. The weather forecast is awful, so I hope they all appreciate my Saturday is going to be wet, muddy and miserable!

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Mar 2013 10:31:14 GMT
"The bible would have us believe that the sun revolves around the earth"

Which passages are you refering to ? I assume it'll be Joshua 10 13-14. But sometimes a couple of psalms pop up too.

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Mar 2013 10:33:34 GMT
K. Hoyles says:
Hi Clive, yes the deluge we are experiencing at the moment is holding my gardening plans back - part of the lawn needs re-seeding, but might consider introducing ducks instead! Good luck with the dormouse project, my neighbour has placed nest boxes in her trees, without success so far.

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Mar 2013 10:33:50 GMT
"Open your "mind". Realize that you know little"

With statements like that you'd get on well with 'The Fount' =P

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Mar 2013 10:43:40 GMT
I'm not sure that you understand the maths either. 60% not believing in evolution does not equate to the majority believng the earth is 6,000 years old all it equates to is 60% not believing evolution.

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Mar 2013 10:44:38 GMT
"The bible would have us believe that the sun revolves around the earth."

If you believe that is what the Bible says, you have a real problem.

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Mar 2013 10:47:16 GMT
Very good, I agree about the Walking with Dinosaurs thing. As far as I am aware we don't know what colour skin tone the dinosaurs had, but it doesn't stop presenting such a show as a documentary.
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