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In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jul 2012 17:20:14 BDT
Shakepen says:
Drew: please stop incorrectly parsing what I've said. I believe that the Catholic Church is wrong in its stand against women's reproductive rights. Mother Teresa followed the teachings of her order and the Church. Was this stand "bad?" In my view it was. However, one can hardly get around not stating that Mother Teresa's view could not have differed from the Church's. If so, she would have been out. So, I'm not backtracking on aything.

Regarding the scarcity of medicine, I pointed out that the Church determines the allocation of resources. One can hardly, therefore, blame Mother Teresa for any shortages. This point is not backtracking.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jul 2012 17:25:16 BDT
Shakepen says:
Zubair: I would challenge the idea that there are true dreams. It would be impossible to have "true" dreams since dreams come from a different part of the brain than the part that is active during consciousness. This fact would be my start in debunking true dreams. Also, dreams by definition are not real. People do things in dreams that are impossible in "real" life. Consider falling and never stopping, a common feeling during dreams.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jul 2012 17:33:16 BDT
Spin says:
Shakespen: Everyone loves "dreaming" until they dream something weird and disturbing. Then, and only then, when they refuse to admit the dream was a centre of thier thought, do they admit that dreams are just "images" floating in the waking mind. Pleasant dreams are welcomed, disturbing dreams are dismissed as mere flights of uncontrolled neurological activity...Such is human nature..embrace the good as part of yourself but reject anything that may cast doubt on the nature of your mind and its function...

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jul 2012 17:40:00 BDT
Last edited by the author on 2 Jul 2012 17:43:01 BDT
Drew Jones says:
"Drew: please stop incorrectly parsing what I've said."
Am I parsing it incorrectly? First you used the 'just following orders' excuse and I pointed that out and seemed to be correct. Then you asked for evidence and I pointed out how it wasn't your first excuse and again, seemed to be correct. Now you're back to the 'just following orders' excuse and I'm no more impressed by it. I still see no problems it parsing what is *said*, it's your logic that isn't doing it for you. There is no reason Mother Teresa had to be part of the church once she had reached her level of fame but she did, she kept on willfully promoting unreasonable and immoral dogmas and we can judge her for that.

"Regarding the scarcity of medicine, I pointed out that the Church determines the allocation of resources. One can hardly, therefore, blame Mother Teresa for any shortages."
You can if at any point she knew that the church was not going to allow her to use the funds under the pretences that she asked for it but continued to accept it knowing it would not reach the people it was given too. You seem to think she is totally removed from the church, impotent and in many was ignorant of her actions, I don't think your reasoning works as you presume.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jul 2012 18:32:54 BDT
C. A. Small says:
shakepen- had Odious Agnes taken the children to a local hospital they could have been treted. She did not. Stop making shabby excuses for the wretched woman.

Posted on 2 Jul 2012 18:36:02 BDT
Spin says:
Nuns are sexy...=)

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jul 2012 18:42:01 BDT
Withnail says:
Spin. Do you have a bit of a thing for Mother T??

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jul 2012 18:48:09 BDT
Spin says:
Withnail: I am a man who considers a womans personality more sexy than her body. Don't ask me why but a shy turn of the head, an innocence rarely expereienced, turns me on more than a sudden flash of a leg, bum or vagina. Ok. I'm weird...=)

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jul 2012 18:52:02 BDT
Last edited by the author on 2 Jul 2012 18:53:40 BDT
Withnail says:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/77/MotherTeresa_094.jpg/220px-MotherTeresa_094.jpg

http://www.faithmouse.com/blessed-mother-teresa.jpg

Spin porn... Go on enjoy yourself.

Posted on 2 Jul 2012 18:52:12 BDT
"One can hardly, therefore, blame Mother Teresa for any shortages."

There is a major difference between not having supplies and actively refusing to give them to people. You would have to be an almost complete idiot to suppose otherwise.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jul 2012 19:01:48 BDT
Spin says:
Withnail: As weird as I am, I do not get my jollies by watching naked women steal my money on a website. I prefer and sometimes engage in, when she is in the mood, the real thing. If a guys best freind is his right hand, he should consider getting out more...

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jul 2012 19:03:56 BDT
Withnail says:
Did you look at the pictures I gave you?

Posted on 2 Jul 2012 19:13:36 BDT
we are all a spark of god he is with you he is all around you the kingdom of god is within you, have faith.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jul 2012 20:31:20 BDT
C. A. Small says:
ozzydave- no we are not, he is not, and no I won't.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jul 2012 21:32:44 BDT
Strewth! are you the virtual poker playing ozzy Dave?

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jul 2012 21:39:38 BDT
I would say good for you, if you believe and get comfort, live and let live, for me he doesn't exist and stopped existing when my husband contracted motor neuron disease and died

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jul 2012 23:36:58 BDT
Shakepen says:
Drew: there is no evidence in Hitchens that indicates that Mother Teresa said or acted contrary to Church doctrine. Everything she said was consistent with the Church. I used an example of what happens to nuns who don't toe the line with the example of the rebelling nuns in the U.S.

What evidence do you have that Mother Teresa was deliberately withholding necessary medicines from patients? Without evidence you are just promulagating a vicious canard!

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jul 2012 23:43:53 BDT
Shakepen says:
CA: If taking care of the indigent were as easy as you say, why didn't the patients just go to the hospital in the first place? C'mon: your vituperation is boundless, but your evidence is non-existent!

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jul 2012 23:47:03 BDT
Shakepen says:
Ryan: if CA is to be believed, all Mother Teresa had to do was take the patient's to the local hospital, which raises the question, "Why diidn't the sick and indigent just go to the hospital in the first place?" According to CA, India has a great social net for its citizens. One wonders why someone like Mother Teresa was even needed in this compassionate nation...according to CA.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jul 2012 23:48:02 BDT
Shakepen says:
Spin: I'm with you! Why let naked women steal your money online when they can do it in real life!

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Jul 2012 00:23:17 BDT
Last edited by the author on 3 Jul 2012 00:28:03 BDT
I empathise with your grief ma'am but to demand God justify Himself and His ways and decisions to you I call blatant arrogance.

Humanity is answerable to God, not vice versa.

"The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away. Blessed be the Name of The Lord". Those words apply not only to life and death but also to all things. I know that is hard sometimes to accept and we want to know why of God, which is understandable { and also is acceptable to God for us to ask } but we cannot demand He justify Himself to us.

He is God and all of creation is His, to do with what and when He chooses.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Jul 2012 02:21:43 BDT
Is the seductuion of nuns a habit you really want to get into?

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Jul 2012 03:55:02 BDT
Spin says:
Roger: =) There is nothing more sexy than the sight of a freshly starched wimple....=) That leads me into a digression: Why does society condemn the wearing of Burkhas when it has no problem with nuns covering themselves? Those feeble-minded folk who wish to ban the burkha should also campaign to ban the habits worn by certain orders. And, while I'm ranting, why not ban hoodies which are far more detrimental to society than the burkha or habit.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Jul 2012 07:57:04 BDT
Last edited by the author on 3 Jul 2012 12:10:49 BDT
Drew Jones says:
"Drew: there is no evidence in Hitchens that indicates that Mother Teresa said or acted contrary to Church doctrine. Everything she said was consistent with the Church."
Whether or not she followed church doctorine or not is a secondary concern, it's whether it was moral, reasonable or in the best interests of others we are meant to be considering and it has been put to you that it is not. You even conceded that it was not, only you think it is a valid excuse to be able to point out that your actions were done at the behest of another person or organisation to which you plead some form of compelled serfdom.

"I used an example of what happens to nuns who don't toe the line with the example of the rebelling nuns in the U.S."
You did and it undermined your point. They, while being in trouble with the church can at least be said to be following their conscientiousness.

"What evidence do you have that Mother Teresa was deliberately withholding necessary medicines from patients?"
The fact that she didn't run a hospital but a house of suffering for the near dead to die. It was no accident she found herself amongst the poor for they are at the mercy of others especially when it comes to things like healthcare which costs money. These people had no access to even simple medical care, in the absence of Mother Teresa there'd have been nothing, what she had access to was the funds to ensure that they were at least guaranteed the basics or given pain relief, that was an opportunity she knowingly allowed to pass them by.

"Without evidence you are just promulagating a vicious canard!"
We have her own words and video footage of what went on inside the house of suffering. We know that money changed hands but never see the fruits of that money trickle down to where it should be expected to be administered, we know that unlike most charities Mother Teresa's never released account details. That is all documented evidence that casts doubt on a what was a percieved state of saintliness.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Jul 2012 10:33:20 BDT
C. A. Small says:
Shakepen- your blinkers are like a welding mask.
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