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Does "I don't believe there is" equal " I do believe there isn't"?


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In reply to an earlier post on 6 Mar 2013 20:19:19 GMT
Spin says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 6 Mar 2013 20:33:56 GMT
I've never counted. But whatever the statistics that remains irrelevant to my point.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Mar 2013 20:35:20 GMT
Spin says:
Anthony: Yes, you have been counted. The National census and every time you log onto the net.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Mar 2013 20:38:20 GMT
Once again that may well be true. But again irrelevant.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Mar 2013 20:41:00 GMT
Spin says:
Anthony; Of course. Anything that cannot be responded to is "irrelevant".

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Mar 2013 20:43:01 GMT
Really. I thought I'd responded.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Mar 2013 20:46:01 GMT
Spin says:
Mr Anthony; The reply "It is not relevant" is not a "response", merely a dismissal.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Mar 2013 20:47:27 GMT
Pendragon says:
Spin

"Anything that cannot be responded to is "irrelevant" "

What - like your posts do you mean?

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Mar 2013 20:47:50 GMT
Even when it is irrelevant? And quite obviously so?

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Mar 2013 23:13:06 GMT
richard says:
i think this is a very interesting point. but what does "do i believe in god" really mean? is it "do i believe that god exists" or "do i believe in what one or more religions say god has done or wants or expects through telling certain privileged people"? do i believe that the prime minister exists or do i believe in him as a leader of our country to do the right things. different types of belief.

one might have to first establish if one is talking about whether a supreme being exists or whether one has a belief in that supreme beings existence/intent as represented by a formal religion. i certainly lack a belief in a supreme beings intentions as represented by any religion but that does not mean that i lack a belief that a supreme being exists. i have no idea on what basis to judge whether i should believe that there exists a supreme being. i have no idea what might count as evidence. on the other hand religions claim a set of writings as the basis for their god's existence and i do not find that good evidence.

i think i can lack belief and be an atheist but in being that i am believing certain things like i believe there is not good evidence for me to think that a god as depicted by any religion is likely. so "i don't believe there is evidence to cause me to have belief" is pretty much the same as "i believe there is not evidence to cause me to have belief". either way i lack belief in the existence of god as depicted by any religion.

Posted on 7 Mar 2013 18:23:35 GMT
Spin says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 18:35:29 GMT
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kraka says:
Spin....Caution lad or you will end up engulfed in a crises of disbelief LOL

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 18:39:47 GMT
Spin says:
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Posted on 7 Mar 2013 19:09:31 GMT
My two year old has no beliefs about God at all and therefore does not believe that He exists. Of course nor does he believe that He doesn't exist. Is he an atheist?

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 19:10:33 GMT
C. A. Small says:
Yes.

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 19:13:02 GMT
Spin says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 19:21:53 GMT
kraka says:
He has no knowledge (or lacks knowledge) of these things, you do not lable a flower a flower whilst it is still only an undeveloped bulb

Posted on 7 Mar 2013 19:31:45 GMT
My dog has no beliefs about God at all and therefore does not believe that He exists. Of course nor does he believe that he doesn't exist. Is my dog an atheist?

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 19:36:05 GMT
Drew Jones says:
Yes. He's a defacto atheist. It's an odd situation to define yourself by a lack of belief but a testament to how far theism has impressed itself on everything. Many mistake theist/atheist as a claim to knowledge when it's not.

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 19:39:31 GMT
C. A. Small says:
Kraka- wrong, all atheist means is lackong a belief in a deity. That's it. nothing more.

Posted on 7 Mar 2013 19:39:48 GMT
My house has no beliefs about God at all and therefore does not believe that He exists. Of course nor does it believe that he doesn't exist. Is my house an atheist?

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 19:47:58 GMT
richard says:
if you're communicating with your house you might want to seek help. the dog telling you that it didn't believe in god should have been a warning.

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Mar 2013 19:48:05 GMT
AJ Murray says:
Your house and dog also lacks religion too, but we don't really describe them as non-religious because that really only applies to humans, but if you are content to misapply the label then yes they are atheist, areligious and apolitical too.

Posted on 7 Mar 2013 20:10:59 GMT
Bellatori says:
Technically we have
a => b therefore Čb => Ča

a - I believe
b - there is not a god

so we can say

Čb - there is a god
Ča - I do not believe

Posted on 7 Mar 2013 20:16:26 GMT
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