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In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jul 2012 03:38:23 BDT
edbuch says:
"Peaking"???? And your evidence is...?

Posted on 12 Jul 2012 08:09:13 BDT
The untimely death of Steve Jobs is a very good example of why I'm suspicious of State mass medication programmes. Look up the side effects of flouride in the water supply; you will see these include 'a significant increase in kidney/liver cancers' and there has certainly been a massive increase in the number dying of these cancers over the last fifty years. The only other major use so far found for flouride is as rat poison so I find it hard to believe it can be 'good for us' in small doses.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jul 2012 08:20:02 BDT
Norm Deplume says:
CWB:

But rat poison can be good for us. Warfarin is used routinely.

In 2003 I was prescribed a course along with larva therapy. The joys of twenty first century medicine - being eaten by maggots while injecting rat poison.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jul 2012 09:53:04 BDT
K. Moss says:
My Gran always used to describe herself as "feeling a bit peaky".

Perhaps that's what he means?

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jul 2012 17:34:07 BDT
Shakepen says:
CW: The fluoridation of water has been going on in the U. S. for decades. (It was first introduced in the '50s.) The FDA has not been able to find any health risks. As for the upsurge in liver cancers, everything in the stomach that is not excreted goes through the liver. (Known as the "first pass.") Humans have been drinking alcohol, using drugs (both legal and illegal), and ingesting all kinds of insecticides, etc. at record rates. All of these chemicals go through the liver unlike some other organs. Is it any wonder that the rate of liver cancers has gone up?

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jul 2012 17:36:27 BDT
Shakepen says:
ND: I'm currently on Warfarin...40 mgs per week. This dosage would kill quite a few rats.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jul 2012 19:26:20 BDT
Mr. P. Smith says:
CW Bradbury says:- "I'm suspicious of State mass medication programmes. "

Can I just point out that it was State mass medication programs that eradicated Diphtheria, TB, Smallpox, Whooping cough, Measles, Rubella, Typhoid, and so on, and so on, in our distant past.
Now I will concede that, of late, we are experiencing an upsurge in just about all of those mentioned plus Syphilis and others - all down to indiscriminate immigration from Eastern Europe, Asia, and Africa.
You can add, too, many exotic afflictions from parasitic worms, bots, and fungi picked up by unknowledgeable gap year youngsters travelling in exotic places without a clue as to what they are travelling *into*, or *through*, and who fail to follow guidance.
In my career I've seen a whole range of stuff imported live on the fast track travel system of airliners.
Not for the squeamish and some damage turns out to be permanent.
State mass medication is there for a perfectly good reason and it works - for the most part.
Peter

Posted on 12 Jul 2012 19:27:33 BDT
Spin says:
Jesus H, You guys know your drugs.....

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jul 2012 21:47:58 BDT
Last edited by the author on 12 Jul 2012 21:49:17 BDT
Good logic with which few would argue Mr Smith. Humanity (in the West at least) are well rid of "Diphtheria, TB, Smallpox, Whooping cough, Measles, Rubella, Typhoid, and so on", just as you say. The problem I wished to draw attention too is best illustrated by the Thalidomide disaster; because when the State makes a mistake the personal/social and financial effects can be monumental. It took years for the Gov't to withdraw Thalidomide from use because they knew such an action would open the way to huge numbers of compensation claims. A similar situation still exists concerning 'Gulf War Syndrome', accepted in America as a medical reality:-

In March 2008 a US Congress-appointed committee released its findings after analysing more than 100 studies relating to Gulf War illnesses. The committee concluded that there was a clear link to exposures to specific kinds of chemicals. The chemicals identified included pesticides, the anti-nerve gas drug pyridostigmine bromide, and the nerve-gas sarin that troops may have been exposed to during the demolition of a weapons depot. The committee's chief scientist Dr Beatrice Golomb singled out the acetylcholinesterase (AChE) inhibitor drugs such as pyridostigmine bromide as having a particularly strong connection to the development of ill-health in veterans. She also revealed that some people appear to be particularly at risk from such chemicals due to genetic variations which impair enzyme function. When exposed these people run a much higher risk for developing symptoms and disease.

By contrast in the UK Gov't 'research' can supposedly find no link between symptoms and vaccinations, which conveniently 'prevents' the MOD from paying compensation to the afflicted veterans. With this well known precedent in mind, I suggest any recent research revealing that long term flouridation of the drinking water has led to a noticable increase in kidney/liver cancers would be very unwelcome news indeed for the State due to potential compensation liabilities. There would thus be very strong financial incentives to suppress such results and/or label the researchers subversive extremists, which is exactly what's happening.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jul 2012 00:41:33 BDT
Kamg says:
He didn't claim he was making a conclusion based on your premise, he agreed with what you had said by saying precisely, stated that know one has ever arranges etc... Then questioned about design of universe or randomness

Posted on 13 Jul 2012 00:52:45 BDT
Kamg says:
God exists and His religion is islam. Disprove that. My YouTube channel is skatetennis123

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jul 2012 05:27:13 BDT
Shakepen says:
certainty: your assertion is proof by proclamation! Tsh! Tsh! How do we choose among the various proclamations since the Christian sects also follow the same proof?

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jul 2012 06:21:57 BDT
Kamg says:
At the end of the day faith cant be disproved ad well know on the day of judgement who's right, but um 100% sure I'm right

Posted on 13 Jul 2012 06:23:29 BDT
Kamg says:
Please see my YouTube channel skatetennis123

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jul 2012 08:41:32 BDT
G. Heron says:
certainty

"God exists and His religion is islam."

Is that the story you are going to stick to when you stand before mighty Odin?

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jul 2012 08:57:59 BDT
Drew Jones says:
"God exists and His religion is islam. Disprove that."
With logic like that how could you be anything other than absolutely convinced. You don't appear to be a multi-theist so I take it you have 'disproof' of everything you regard as non-existent.

Posted on 13 Jul 2012 08:59:40 BDT
Withnail says:
Also, I would have thought god would be above things like choosing which religion he belongs to.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jul 2012 09:21:00 BDT
Last edited by the author on 13 Jul 2012 09:21:51 BDT
TomC says:
"um 100% sure I'm right"

Sorry, that almost clinched the deal for me - but in a question of this importance, nothing less than 110% will do.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jul 2012 09:21:45 BDT
Perhaps God put down "Jedi Knight" on his census form.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jul 2012 09:26:34 BDT
Drew Jones says:
If he gets it wrong does he still have to send himself to Hell.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jul 2012 09:55:15 BDT
richard says:
so god is religious then!

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jul 2012 10:09:08 BDT
Last edited by the author on 13 Jul 2012 12:39:42 BDT
Although your words may be accurate Mr Jones, you seem to have completely missed the central point demonstrated by 'certainty'. Like all other living species, humanity lives in a Darwinian world, with conflict the ultimate judge of 'right and wrong'. Two centuries ago, Napoleon said that in battle:- "the moral is to the physical as three to one". In his excellent book:- Reflections on the Revolution in Europe: Immigration, Islam and the West Christopher Caldwell explains that today's supposedly sophisticated 'christian' culture in Europe is very deeply threatened by the simple certainties the Islamic faith provides. This point is developed further in Samual Huntingdon's:- The Clash of Civilizations: And the Remaking of World Order and Melanie Phillip's:- Londonistan: How Britain is Creating a Terror State within

In Colossus: The Rise and Fall of the American Empire Niall Ferguson shows how a firm belief in 'God' was a major the reason the West did so well during the imperial age. 'God' provided a solid foundation for the rule of law, right or wrong, the ideas of cultural/racial superiority which many liberal/socialist types regard as moral madness today, but underpinned the West's victory in the conquest/settlement of the Americas/Australasia.

Rather than making ineffectual 'Politically Correct' attempts to belittle the deeply held beliefs of 'certainty' and the millions like him, I suggest you and your fellow atheist/humanists realise just how vapid/meaningless your lack of belief in anything actually is. Assuming you ignore this suggestion, please read:- How The West Was Lost: Fifty Years of Economic Folly - And the Stark Choices Ahead by Dambisa Moyo, or perhaps:- Suicide of a Superpower: Will America Survive to 2025? by Pat Buchanan because in a very real/direct way; this lack of any cultural foundation inflicted/enforced on us by Liberal/Socialist opinion is contributing to the possibility of the nightmare scenarios depicted becoming a reality for our children/grandchildren.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jul 2012 10:25:08 BDT
Drew Jones says:
Melanie Phillip and Pat Buchanan? So America isn't the superpower it once was and your religious beliefs are contested, that's nothing new and it certainly doesn't mean the total surrender or capitulation of the west. You you're welcome to your misplaced certainty in a weird paranoia no matter how many books you find it in.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jul 2012 10:27:56 BDT
Kamg says:
As in Allah (God) prescribed submission to Him and faith in and obedience to Him and His messengers as the only acceptable way

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jul 2012 10:29:26 BDT
Kamg says:
As in Allah (God) prescribed submission to Him and faith in and obedience to Him and His messengers as the only acceptable way
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