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In reply to an earlier post on 27 May 2013 21:35:08 BDT
Bellatori says:
Try not to get cross!! BUT I do have a Robert Heinlein quote for this!!

"Goodness without wisdom always accomplishes evil."

I suppose that it is a variant on "The road to hell is paved with good intentions". The saying is thought to have originated with Saint Bernard of Clairvaux who wrote (c. 1150), "L'enfer est plein de bonnes volontés et désirs" (hell is full of good wishes and desires).

It is certainly possible to be wise without education but generally the wise have experience which is an education of its own. Wise people are always perceptive which in my book usually goes with intelligence.

The example I always use is the one about the 12 year old boy who probably knows far more about a Ferrari than the average mechanic but would you let a 12 year old service your car?

In reply to an earlier post on 27 May 2013 22:25:23 BDT
Henry James says:
Oh Hugo! You've hurt my feelings!

In reply to an earlier post on 28 May 2013 18:56:55 BDT
"I for myself,"

What a curious construction for a man who claims he has several degrees.

"however you might explain it with fancy words to explain yourself, using words that were used in Ancient Greek or Latin Literature and elsewhere, does not actually convince me that you are right and that I am wrong."

You don't seem to be paying much attention to the ones in plain English, either.

"When it comes for the both of us to die, we will both know who was right and who was wrong"

You won't, of course: you'll be dead. Finito.

"Claiming you don't believe in Fairies doesn't make it so."

Claiming they do doesn't make it so either, unless you live in Never-Never Land with a horde of kids and like wearing green.

"The Spirits or entities that are seen as Fairies may go under a different name or title, physically, or they may not,"

Or they may not actually exist at all...?

"It is one thing to say I am wrong, but it is quite another to say that every Buddhist is wrong in their belief of what they do, or the Taoist, or the Aboriginal Peoples of Australasia"

No amount of believers made the earth any flatter.

"This is what I deem idiocy! "

Yes, 'faith' invariably is.

"I am going to take myself off of this forum since I have better things to do with my time than argue what is actually the case with a bunch of nerds who can't see the what is actually in front of them!"

Meaning you couldn't get your own way, and now you want to storm off in a huff.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 May 2013 19:43:20 BDT
Spin says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 28 May 2013 20:10:32 BDT
David B says:
But how about dying or living for an understanding rather than a belief?

In reply to an earlier post on 28 May 2013 20:23:00 BDT
C. A. Small says:
People die and give their lives for others to live and give them freedom, far more worth while than dying for an un-evidenced invisible sky fairy.

People live because of science- people who trust in god die.

If you wish to challenge that, feel free not to take anti-biotics next time you have an infection.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 May 2013 20:34:08 BDT
T. S. C. says:
'Hugo L. Shepherd says:

This is what I deem idiocy! And since no one can win this argument, either way, I am going to take myself off of this forum since I have better things to do with my time than argue what is actually the case with a bunch of nerds who can't see the what is actually in front of them!'

Well Hugo, you should stick it out my friend; if you have something to say at least I'd like to hear it; can't promise I'll agree with you but happy to hear you anyway, as I would be of anyone else.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 May 2013 20:36:58 BDT
T. S. C. says:
'DB says:

Hugo

I'm afraid that this is what they planned.
They work as a 'pack'.
The insults are designed to make you leave.
Not many survive.'

Perhaps, but can't you see that some atheists, in their own way, are posing uncomfortable questions of faith; we can bury our heads in the sand and cry to mummy, or stick our fingers in our ears and go 'la la la!' or we can at least listen and if someone has something relevant to say, and may even want to dialogue, then shouldn't we at least try to do that?

In reply to an earlier post on 28 May 2013 20:41:08 BDT
T. S. C. says:
'C. A. Small says:

I have not got any degrees, but you are still wrong, and throwing a hissy fit will not make you correct.'

I do wonder why people get so worked up. Make your point, and listen to another; it's not rocket science.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 May 2013 20:44:11 BDT
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O.Binladen says:
If you look through most discourses on here, DB interjects, ignores, then moans when her assertions are refuted, then complains that people are not listening, she shows signs of a persecution complex bordering on paranoia, then finally leaves, when her points have been refuted so often it's impossible for even her to ignore. She comes back later and starts the process again as if nothing has happened.

Of course she still offers substantially more entertainment than spin, but then so does a bout of gastroenteritis.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 May 2013 20:50:45 BDT
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Spin says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 28 May 2013 21:16:26 BDT
Last edited by the author on 28 May 2013 21:18:50 BDT
T. S. C. says:
'O. Binladen says:

If you look through most discourses on here, DB interjects, ignores, then moans when her assertions are refuted, then complains that people are not listening, she shows signs of a persecution complex bordering on paranoia, then finally leaves, when her points have been refuted so often it's impossible for even her to ignore. She comes back later and starts the process again as if nothing has happened.'

I haven't read a great deal of her stuff, but have noticed that it's usually hidden due to negative feedback. I try to see everyone's POV, because even if they disagree with me, I can always learn something from them. Yes, there are one or two people knocking around who are impossible; but that's the way life is hey? It does seem, and I was thinking this last night, that Atheists have more solidarity, and most Christians just don't, and there are a good number of reasons for that, most or some of which you are very probably well aware of.

As for Spin; I can only add that we have had a good few debates on here and there, one or two ongoing as I write, and he is always polite, and when I have asked or posed a thoughtful quezzy or just asked something, he has answered well in many cases, and intelligently too. He's becoming a legend of the forums, you never know where he's going to pop up next! And we all need a few legends hey, whether to love or even have a few laughs at; or both!?

edit: Spin, I wasn't trying to make fun of you here dear boy, just trying to make a point.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 May 2013 21:17:42 BDT
T. S. C. says:
'David B says:

But how about dying or living for an understanding rather than a belief?'

That's not a bad idea David, alltold.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 May 2013 21:34:09 BDT
O.Binladen says:
That's what makes it so frustrating, is he's clearly capable of rational thought, but descends into puerile rants as if it's clever, when it is in fact just tedious. Still it's no hardship to hit the ignore button so c'est la vie.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 May 2013 22:27:29 BDT
Spin says:
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