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In reply to an earlier post on 15 Jun 2012 20:32:20 BDT
M. Jolliff says:
'I can't complain but sometimes I still do,
Life's been good to me so far'

Joe Walsh

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Jun 2012 20:35:44 BDT
gille liath says:
Have you entirely given up talking on your own behalf, then? :)

I shouldn't complain - not with people deserting this thread in droves, in favour of the Steakhouse down the road...

'A Steakhouse! A Steakhouse! Let's all go to the Steakhouse and have some...steak!'

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Jun 2012 21:02:25 BDT
M. Jolliff says:
It's hard to talk to people who remember what I say
I guess I need an amnesiac priest or something
Or a stranger on a long bus journey to somewhere far away
One day the desert will cover all the earth
With only the wind to sing in the silence
All my secrets buried forever in the blown dust

It seems so simple but they just don't get it
I meant what I said at the time that I said it
Nothing is ever meant to last
I want no mirror, I want no shadow
I want my follies to have no echo
Only the ties to hold on fast



Nobody has their consciences clean
Loyalty in the end will be enough
This family thicker than blood
The way we grew together, roots twisted together
And everybody thinks what they shouldn't think
Everybody does what they shouldn't do
Everybody wants what they shouldn't want
Hold on to me and I'll hold on to you

Maybe I'm wrong but they just don't get it
I meant what I said just at the time that I said it
Nothing is ever meant to last
I want no mirror, I want no shadow
I want my follies to have no echo
Only the ties to hold on fast



We spread our mischief with a little glint in the eye
Where there is war we like to bring peace
Where there is peace we want to bring war
Seduce the priests and break it all
Just don't ask me to remember

It seems so simple but they just don't get it...

NMA No Mirror No Shadow

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Jun 2012 22:38:54 BDT
Pendragon says:
Joe Walsh, ace face:

And we don't need the ladies
Cryin' 'cause the story's sad
'Cause the Rocky Mountain way
Is better than the way we had.

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Jun 2012 22:48:28 BDT
gille liath says:
I like that, they have some good lyrics don't they? Shame about the music...

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Jun 2012 01:04:16 BDT
Last edited by the author on 16 Jun 2012 01:19:43 BDT
light says:
I feel that thinking about cheating is a bad thing and that if a married person fantsizes about someone other than their partner on regular basis it could cause serious problems. How would the person feel if they found out that their partner is fantasizing about someone else while they are making love? Wouldn't it be hard to completely trust that person and give love with unbridled abandon?

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Jun 2012 01:10:01 BDT
light says:
gille,

yes, I think it would screw someone up inside because how can a person who is thinking about adultry give 100% to a relationship that they are supposed to be committed to, I also think it would affect the children they can tell if something is right with their parents.

Funny you should mention, "Lord, make me good, but not yet."

Something happened about 30 years ago where I was confronted with a decision between Angel or Hell, so I chose to run right through the middle.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Jun 2012 13:38:15 BDT
Last edited by the author on 16 Jun 2012 13:50:49 BDT
M. Jolliff says:
http://www.mathematische-basteleien.de/hypercube.htm
as Huey Lewis doesn't emote sufficiently and is wrong anyway

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Jun 2012 15:12:16 BDT
M. Jolliff says:
A competent and self-confident person is incapable of jealousy in anything. Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity.
It impossible for a man to love his wife wholeheartedly without loving all women somewhat. I suppose that the converse must be true of women.
The more you love, the more you can love -- and the more intensely you love. Nor is there any limit on how many you can love. If a person had time enough, he could love all of that majority who are decent and just.
Excerpts from the Notebooks of Lazarus Long

Posted on 27 Jun 2012 05:06:36 BDT
light says:
Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose,
Nothing don't mean nothing honey if it ain't free,

Janice Joplin

Hmmmmm, wonder if she practiced the Buddhist thought of detachment?

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Jun 2012 05:41:13 BDT
Withnail says:
Pedant warning - she sang the song, Kris Krisstofeson wrote it.

Posted on 27 Jun 2012 06:16:05 BDT
M. Jolliff says:
'...tomorrow never comes. It's all the same f****ng day, man!'

Janis Joplin

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Jun 2012 10:34:33 BDT
Spin says:
Light: The Kristoferson version is:
"Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose,
Nothing ain't worth nothing, but its free..."

If the Joplin version reads "Nothing ain't worth nothing if it ain't free" then she has seriously altered the meaning of the song...

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Jun 2012 04:48:06 BDT
light says:
Spin,

I saw several different versions of that particular verse, I just picked one and posted it because they all basically "meant" the same thing to me.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Jun 2012 04:49:36 BDT
Last edited by the author on 28 Jun 2012 04:55:40 BDT
light says:
Withnail,

Yes thanks for the pedant warning, I noticed that Kris wrote it, but I think that more people recognize that Janice sang it more than Kris wrote it.

And I would like to add to the pedantic warning that like Fred Foster also shared in the writing of the song :D

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Jun 2012 12:52:20 BDT
Spin says:
Light: No problem. Kris wrote the song "Me and Bobby McGee", a song about the care-free lifestyle of drifters and musicians, so his version is obviously the correct one. My favourite of Kris' is "Sunday Morning, Comin' down". I can relate to that song... Aah, memories..=)

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jun 2012 04:15:27 BDT
light says:
Spin,

Oh yes memories:

Barbra Streisand

Memories
Light the corners of my mind
Misty watercolor memories
Of the way we were
Scattered pictures
Of the smiles we left behind
Smiles we gave to one another
For the way we were

Can it be that it was all so simple then
Or has time rewritten every line
If we had the chance to do it all again
Tell me - Would we? Could we?

Memories
May be beautiful and yet
What's too painful to remember
We simply choose to forget

So it's the laughter
We will remember
Whenever we remember
The way we were

So it's the laughter
We will remember
Whenever we remember
The way we were

Posted on 1 Jul 2012 09:48:36 BDT
monica says:
So hopelessly au grand serieux, you feel like saying: Good God, what does it matter? If life is a tragedy, or a farce, or a disaster, or anything else, what do I care? Let life be what it likes. Give me a drink, that's what I want just now.

For my part, life is so many things I don't care what it is. It's not my affair to sum it up. Just now it's a cup of tea. This morning it was wormwood and gall. Hand me the sugar.

D. H. Lawrence, Studies in Classic American Literature

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Jul 2012 19:46:50 BDT
gille liath says:
He didn't mean it though, did he? He was the last person to mean it. Not for more than five minutes at a time.

Posted on 2 Jul 2012 19:22:49 BDT
If there is a sin against life, it is not perhaps so much to despair of life, as to hope for another life and to lose sight of the implacable grandeur of this one.

Albert Camus

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jul 2012 19:56:10 BDT
gille liath says:
I wonder what made him think that the one involves the other.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jul 2012 21:56:54 BDT
Last edited by the author on 2 Jul 2012 21:57:16 BDT
monica says:
Ryan & I are targets of the peanut gallery, aren't we, one that hasn't recently offered any deathless words uttered by over-rated other people. (I so adore 'peanut gallery' because for me it came fr. the sort of aged American cartoons that had clever references and soundtracks from classical repertoire.)

I felt a bit of a cheat when I posted source, as I got it 2nd-hand fr. Poisoned Pens: Literary Invective from Amis to Zola, which also has a splendid Laurentian rant re Walt Whitman. Makes me consider venturing into DH's spews on books, lit crit to you & me, though shall never mess about w. another of his novels . . .

The period & cultures in wh. Camus lived no doubt made him associate one with the other. And as well, 'implacable grandeur'--prob. v. straightforward translation--is a wonderful phrase . . .

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jul 2012 22:11:04 BDT
Last edited by the author on 2 Jul 2012 22:18:35 BDT
gille liath says:
<Raises eyebrows> *I'm* the peanut gallery - I'm Stadtler and Waldorf?

Not at all. While I ponder whether I should offer any more overrated deathless words on my own part, I'm politely offering you a response: without which both posts would have fallen into the bottomless well that is an unattended thread. And I didn't necessarily mean to imply that either is overrated. I find Lawrence a fascinating character, though I agree with you about his novs. Studies in American Literature sounds interesting - if only it wasn't about American Literature.

I'm afraid 'implacable grandeur' is a silly phrase, though: grandiloquent and meaningless. Why whould one need or seek to placate grandeur? Let's hope it's actually a bad translation...

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jul 2012 22:20:01 BDT
"Implacable grandeur" could be read as "relentless grandeur", which would make more sense in context.

In reply to an earlier post on 2 Jul 2012 22:32:08 BDT
gille liath says:
It would be a little better. We get the general idea; but behind the silly phrase there's a silly, and somewhat arrogant, thought: that only materialists can truly appreciate the beauty of life and of the world.

Again, that might be mitigated by the context; but so might anything...
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