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In reply to an earlier post on 19 Jun 2012 08:05:36 BDT
L.A.S. says:
LOL...ease up, Sam. Mayhaps your normally open mind has been dampened with your dislike of R. Martini's methods of promoting his work?

I agree that his methods; however, the information - in particular the studies conducted by Dr. Michael Newton are very interesting, in the least. Surely worthy of discussion, don't you think?

Posted on 19 Jun 2012 08:11:05 BDT
Excuse me Amazon and your over-sensitive 'moderating'.
As I said...

Auras ... past lives ... move over "Chat: It's Fate" I've found a FREE new best friend for ....s and giggles.

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Jun 2012 08:24:02 BDT
L.A.S. says:
Michael - Nope, I can't explain how each state had its own preferred religion. I also cant' argue with you about the fact. When I mentioned that one of the freedoms sought when leaving England was the freedom of religion, it was in the context of arguing against the idea that the US was founded as a Christian state.

I agree with you that persecution of non-conformists exist wherever religion - in particular any of the Christian sects you mention - has taken root. For me, organized religion of any denomination is a disease that has adversely affected mankind throughout history.

Contrarily, I also agree that - for some - belief in god, any god - provides solace and hope to those in need of it and that's a good thing. It only turns bad (again, my opinion) when that person thrusts his beliefs on others; most especially when that person is in a position to influence or othewise initiate laws, regulations or social systems that affect everyone else - even those who don't believe in god.

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Jun 2012 09:48:45 BDT
L.A.S. says:
Drew - Thanks for jumping in here...excellent response...;o)

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Jun 2012 19:41:56 BDT
Pipkin says:
Hya Sam,
I find myself agreeing with what you say, but still wonder what the purpose of learning is, if it dies with us? And I totally agree that we should make the very best of what we have - NOW...
Again I agree that WE do not survive our body in any physical sense; but I am intrigued by Soul and Auras.
I am posting you a link....
What Color is Your Aura?
Sachin D. Anchan looks at Auras, Kirlian photography; the meaning of aura colors and how to see auras.
Ever wondered about golden haloes around head of saints, gods or spiritually enlightened people shown in their pictures? It is called an Aura. (I'm not sure about this one, but I keep my mind open for the moment?)
'Everything is made of energy & vibrations.' (fact) That's why everything has an Aura. Aura is an energy field that reflects the subtle life energies within the body. It's a personal electromagnetic energy field around each of us shaped like Eggshell.
It is (believed to be) a reflection of the body's spirit energy. It reflects our health, mental activity & emotional state. It also shows disease - often long before the onset of symptoms.
Basic Aura looks like layer of Light covered body from 2-3 inches. But it can extend. You can see colors in extended part.
Psychics can see auras. Very young children can see aura spontaneously. ''Infants frequently look ABOVE a person in front of them. When they don't like the color of the aura above the head, or if this color is much different from their parent's aura, they cry, no matter how much smiling the person does.'' (Having worked with babies and toddlers for most of my life, I would tend to agree that there is some 'unknown to me' phenomena, at work here.)
Do you feel 'attracted or repelled' to some person without even knowing them? It is because we can 'feel energy' of other people's aura subconsciously. (I have experienced this, but couldn't actually put a name to it?)
Aura Photography;
There have been various attempts to photograph the aura. Aura Photography was first experimented with by scientist Nicola Tesla in the 1890's. (By the way Tesla invented system for electrical transmission- the AC (alternating current) system that we use in our homes today & DC (Direct Current) is Edison's invention) The Soviet Union included Aura Photography in the psychic research conducted in the 1960's. In 1975 The University of California at Los Angeles was able to measure Auras with great accuracy.
Semyon D. Kirlian a Russian technician was repairing equipment in a hospital when he noticed something unusual. He later found that through the interaction of electric currents and photographic plates, imprints of living organisms developed on film.
Kirlian and his wife developed the process in 1939. They call it the "Kirlian Effect" (pronounced keer-lee-an) In the late 1940's the Russians began serious research, but it was not until the 1970's that Kirlian photography research began in the United States.
Kirlian photography involves the transferring of a high frequency charge through a metal plate attached to a Polaroid film camera base. The finger tips are lightly placed on the film which is encased in a light-tight bag, and an electric exposure is made. Sixty seconds later, after the film develops, the Kirlian photograph is complete and the subject's energy field is revealed.
There are many different colored bands in a person's aura.
Each color has significance on a physical, emotional, mental and spiritual level. The color of the Aura is based on frequency (cycles/second) of light energy. For this reason, the Aura may, and often does, change color, as the movement of light particles in the auric field responds to external forces.
Meaning of colors'
Purple: indicates spiritual thoughts.
Indigo: The color of the seeker who has inborn psychic and intuitive abilities. It represents an astounding ability in the handling of practical matters.
Blue: Balanced existence, sustaining life, eased nerve system, transmitting forces and energy. People with blue strong point in their Aura are relaxed, balanced and feel ready to live in a cave and survive.
Green: restful, modifying energy, natural healing ability. All natural healers should have it. People with a green strong point in their Auras are natural healers.
Yellow: joy, freedom, non-attachment, freeing or releasing vital forces. People who glow yellow are full of inner joy, very generous and not attached to anything.
Orange: uplifting and absorbing. Inspiring. A sign of power. Ability and/or desire to control people.
Red: materialistic thoughts, thoughts about the physical body. Predominantly red Aura indicates materialistically oriented person.
Brown: unsettling, distracting, materialistic, negating spirituality.
Grey: dark thoughts, depressing thoughts, unclear intentions, presence of a dark side of personality.
How to see Auras;
Now do you want to see the Aura? If yes take this exercise:
1. Situate the person in front of a very softly illuminated PLAIN WHITE background. A color background will change Aura colors, so you need additional knowledge about combining colors. Some combinations of background and Aura colors may cause misinterpretation problems.
2. Choose ONE SPOT to look at. The middle of the forehead is VERY GOOD. This is a location of so called Brow Chakra or the Third Eye.
3. Look at this spot for 30 to 60 seconds or longer.
4. Resist temptation to look around. You should see that the background nearby the person is brighter and has a DIFFERENT color than the background further away. This is your own perception of the Aura. The longer you concentrate, the better you will see it. Remember, concentration on one spot increases your sensitivity by accumulating the effect of the Aura vibration reaching your eyes.
How to see your own Aura;
Stand about 1.5 m in front of a good size mirror. In the beginning it is best if the background behind you is plain white and there are no shadows. Illumination should be VERY soft and uniform not bright. Follow instructions above for seeing Auras.
PRACTICE for at least 10-15 minutes each day to increase your sensitivity and develop Auric sight. Remember that practice is required to develop Auric sight.
PS: Aura is very sensitive. That's why sometimes it gets captured on normal cameras too.

I am not saying that I 'know' this is so, because I have never been able to do it! But neither was I able to find items in those jumbled up
pictures. But I have seen many Kirlian photos, which appear to be spot on, when the Auras have been 'read.'
Then again, neither am I able to 'see' xrays, but they have been proved for years to be exactly as they say....
I hope this is informative.
Kind regards

Posted on 20 Jun 2012 02:46:17 BDT
R. martini says:
Hi Lex, I take everything with a large dose of salt. In this case, the comments of this forum as well. But I have many cases that I document in that thing that I'm not supposed to talk about here, nor the film thing that I'm not supposed to mention either - (of course why bother putting an "insert product link" at the top of every page if you're never supposed to mention the product?) Be that as it may, I have infinite patience as well. Sam, your comment "I have little tolerance" is apparent. You do have little tolerance. Bless you for that. C.A Small - yes, I am dreaming and I am wishing. Although it's not what you imagine me to be dreaming or wishing about. And bless you for saying so.

So - on to the evidence. If you haven't read Ian Stevenson's books, probably a good idea to stop now (University of VA) - you might check into the book "Irreducible Mind" which is a dictionary of sorts of the latest in consciousness research from the science side - which includes Stevenson's work. As cited earlier, Gary Schwartz Ph.D. from Harvard and Yale is currently researching that thing I'm not supposed to mention at the University of AZ - scientist and author who happens to agree so much with what I'm saying that he asked to write the forward to that thing I'm not supposed to mention.

While filming "salt" in NYC, an NYPD detective pulled me aside and said "I heard you talking about your research into the afterlife, can I talk to you?" I was working for the director of that epic, and the cop actually locked the door to the room he pulled me into. "My daughter claims there's a ghost haunting my house, and now she claims she died in Australia. Is my house possessed or somethin?" I said "well first, let's not forget you're talking to a guy on a movie set. Second - who's the ghost?" He told me his daughter kept seeing a "Man dressed like daddy" in the kitchen. Finally, the cop took out a photograph and showed it to her - she said "That's him dad. But he's younger now." It was a picture of his partner who died two years prior to her birth. I said to him - "Did you like your partner?" He nodded. I said, "So it's not such a bad thing he's hanging around, is it?" The research shows people appear as they want people to see them - in his case as a younger cop. We don't live in some kind of bardo between lives - we can and frequently do visit our loved ones. Some have better reception when it comes to messages, dreams or other such odd occurrence. As one person described it while under deep hypnosis "it's just like using a cell phone - you punch in some numbers and your loved one appears on the other end. It's the same." That seemed to mollify the detective.

Then he said, "What about Australia?" After confirming he'd never been there, nor was watching a show about it - I suggested he take out a map and show it to his kid. He came in the next day, pretty excited, yanked me off the set and into the locked room. "I showed her the map, like you said, and she pointed to Perth and said she had been a farmer and her entire family had died in a famine. And then burst into tears." She just wanted her dad to hear her story. As I say in that thing I'm not supposed to mention, there are many reports like this - when kids are making up stories, they're all over the place, but when they're remembering, the details stay the same.

In Robert Beer's case, as mentioned earlier, his daughter was still a young adult when she died. Privately, he went to a number of psychics in London - none could help him speak with her. After I interviewed Newton and and filmed sessions, as well as my own, I suggested he try this method, it might help. He did a session in London where he saw his daughter - and spent an hour talking to her, holding her hand, laughing with her. She walked him through many lives they've had together - Robert has mentioned them in some of his talks at Oxford - you can search for them. I might add, it doesn't matter whether this actually happened - he had the profound experience of doing it - as I did myself with my father and other loved ones. And the experience is no different than the reality I feel as I write this sentence. So one can argue or complain that there's no evidence for it - but it's just as easy to point to their being no evidence for consciousness either, that thing that we think is helping us relate to reality at this moment.

You can say it's delusional - but I can cite numerous cases, some of which I've filmed, some of which I report in the... you know what. I can tell you that in Robert Beer's session he remembered a past life in the 1800's in Boston with a woman he knows from this lifetime - an old friend. And he saw her as his soul mate back then, and was devastated when she died. So with his permission, I arranged for this friend to have a past life regression in NYC - with a different therapist who knew nothing of his prior session, and Robert made sure that his friend knew nothing of his own session. He told no one about it except his wife and me. And in her session in NYC, this woman, who currently lives in Boston - had the same past life memory as he did. Two different people, different therapists, on different continents, with the same past life memory of a life together in Boston.

It's not enough to say that one's intellect is superior because they think they know the answer to all things. At some point the world was flat, the sun circled the earth, and those who disagreed were put to the stake. Thank God we live in a world where the exchange of ideas is not beholden to someone else's rules and regulations - I don't particularly care if anyone believes this research or not - I'm just reporting what thousands have said under deep hypnosis about the topic, and no matter what background they have, no matter the therapist doing the session, they all say relatively the same things about the process. And if that bugs anyone - great! That's what I'm here for. The price of the film is currently less than any coffee at any coffee house I'm aware of - so be it. I don't particularly want to waste time shouting in a crowded room - the research is there if anyone cares to find it, or feels the need to. I've heard from quite a few people across the planet who found it in their own way, and that's the reason I did it. Over and out.

Posted on 20 Jun 2012 05:12:02 BDT
L.A.S. says:
Rich - Interesting story...;o). I recall several similar examples in your book. What I missed, both in the book and what I could find elsewhere on past life regression or life between life was an explanation. LOL...sure, one doesn't necessarily NEED explanation with such a long list of living examples; however, there are a couple of quantum physics theories that could apply. In particular the 'string theory' that generally recognizes the connectivity of all things and the possibilities of parallel universes and different dimensions of each. I've been chastised on more than one occasion, by physicists, about the use of 'dimension' when discussing parallel universes or layered Still, dimension is what most people understand in that context so that's what I use. you know of any scientific research being done other than the therapists who use Newton's methods? How about the IONS in California?

Posted on 23 Jun 2012 12:44:45 BDT
Well, he was kind, compassionate, none judgemental and vey very wise in his ways... Deffinately not a human.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Jun 2012 16:21:55 BDT
L.A.S. says:
:o)...Certainly he doesn't fit the characters of many of the modern human types.

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Jun 2012 04:20:02 BDT
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R. martini says:
wow Lex, a reasonable response. I put on my emotional flak jacket before coming back here so I'm glad to weigh in on something that's not my field, but has attracted my attention.

As you know in the book I talk a bit about Talbot's "the Holographic Universe" as a reference point. And as I've made this journey into this research I've made some observations that I've found confirmed (or merely repeated) in the transcripts of what people are saying during these life between life sessions with regard to quantum theory.

For example, in one case a woman was recounting a past life where she got pregnant (this was in Newton's books) and her boyfriend died,so she committed suicide in that past life. And as she was examining it (I think it was with a spirit guide in a 'past lives library' - many folks speak of akashic records,or other terms, but since I've seen a few folks go there, I'll use it) she said "I had no choice other than to kill myself. In that time and era I couldn't have had a baby out of wedlock." And her guides showed her alternate lives - lives that she was able to examine and experience, like stepping into the skin of another person - only these lives had never happened. They showed her one where she had the baby, wound up a prostitute on the streets of Paris, and the baby died in an orphanage. She said "see? that wasn't a choice!" and then they showed her a life where her father had forgiven her and he moved the family to a new village, fashioned a metal ring so it would look like she was married,and she lived happily.

I thought the ring was an interesting detail - something you wouldn't normally make up when creating that story. But the point is - these were likely events if such and such happened.

Quantum theory tells us that actions and their opposites may continue on into other Universes - or realms - or dimensions. so there are an infinite number of possibilities for each action we choose to create. But that's not what the research shows - people report that these are "likely actions" and as such they don't continue on into another realm - however, because of the nature of energy, someone is able to experience what it would have been like to live a life with a different option. Does that make sense?

Also the sense of time and space when you're out of body, so to speak - I had this one experience, I think I mentioned it in "Flipside" where I felt myself dissolve into a sea of atoms, so to speak - like a shower of golden light - and I experienced that once in that state, the entire universe was like being in this large pool of water - there are distinct water molecules, but they are all connected energetically - if you introduce an electric charge on one side of the pool,all molecules experience it simultaneously. And in like form, when someone had a negative action or thought in your direction, it moved through this water like energy (dark matter?) in your direction - you could send a positive thought or action to counter it - dissipate it.

Also one person spoke of a "negative cloud of emotion" that sometimes his spirit would attach itself to - and when questioned about it, he said "when people experience the energy of fear, of hatred, of negativity they add to that cloud of energy, and sometimes we can get caught up into it - because of our own fears." I thought that was interesting - sounds a bit like a sci-fi movie - but that the negative energy cloud could manifest itself as an actual object that we might tap into.

But back to your realms and dimensions - in Newton's work, he reports that he's had clients tell him or describe about 20 different realms out there that have their own time and space. For a really trippy description of some of these realms, I recommend Galen Stoller's "My Life After Life" written by a 16 year old boy who is communicating from the afterlife through his father (whom I've met,he's a fairly respected pediatrician) and the boy is describing the realm he is in - the dimension he is currently in, from his current point of view. And through some odd events, he's able to travel to some different realms or dimensions where he describes some very dream like (I say dream like, because they remind me of dreams I've had or heard about) environments. I can't claim any of this to be true, but I can tell you that his description of a number of things he's experiencing dove tail with what clients are saying under deep hypnosis. (And I confirmed that the father nor the son had ever heard of Michael Newton or his work).

A long way of saying I think string theory is in the right direction - in the sense that everything is energy, and what appears to be space may actually be "dark matter" or a substance that has the properties of water, and flows and ebbs through all of us and everything. Hence why some people can experience energy happening in other parts of the planet while it's happening - the same way if you separate two electrons, and tweak one here, the other one, no matter where it is in the universe, has the same reaction.

Also I've found that the descriptions of "soul clusters" echoes the research done in the book "Linked" which talks about how the "six degrees of separation" exists on a subatomic level - where energy (atoms, photons, etc) that are created in a particular place tend to find each other wherever they are in the universe. And during one of my last sessions, I filmed a woman who claimed to be playing a game of cosmic tag with her fellow soul group - the game consisted of them disappearing, and hiding in different realms - and the seeker had to find all six of these individuals no matter what realm they were hiding in - invisibly! And the way she described it, she said that everyone has an energetic signature, like a snowflake, and if you're acutely aware of that signature, the way one would be with a soul group they've been with since the beginning of their journey as a soul, they would be able to win this game of cosmic tag. (allow me to add, this professional woman was a skeptic - agreed to let me film a session for an entirely different reason with regard to an upcoming operation - she figured if it could help to access her subconscious,it was worth the effort - she was startled and more than a little flummoxed to find she had a clear memory of a past life as a rancher in Arizona, details I was able to confirm, and the list of impossible questions she brought to prove this was a flight of fancy - were all answered to her amazement.)

So.. a little food for thought.

I'm not aware of the IONS in California - but I'll contact them, as I've continued to film these sessions, and if there's some protocol involved, I'll be happy to meet it and film it.

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Jun 2012 04:31:40 BDT
light says:
Hi Lex,

Newton studied kabbalah which includes different dimensions and parallel universes and so did Jung. I've noticed that some of their writings show evidence of including kabbalistic treatments.

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Jun 2012 04:47:41 BDT
light says:

You mention soul clusters, the bible mentions this but with different words, In my father's house there are many rooms. In general, it is said that when our soul leaves the physical body it returns to the place it came from and so do the souls of other people. It is up to us and the help of a Higher Power to evolve our souls to the next level of spiritual existance, as we do this we also involve our soul clusters.

I've read about soul clusters and feel that there is an element of possible truth in the concept of soul cluster, the people we are in contact in the physical are also the soul clusters that we are with in another dimension/heaven.

I went to see Men in black 3 and it included multiple dimensions and time, past, present and future all existing at the same time. Many sci-fi movies and movies like the one I saw today always seem to include mystical notions that have been around for thousands of years. I guess the people who write these movies have studied up on mysticism.

Posted on 24 Jun 2012 04:53:15 BDT
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R. martini says:
Newton went to a private Catholic school here in LA. And he didn't like what he was hearing, so he went off and studied a number of different modalities. He served in the military and when he got out, he started his practice in LA in the 1950's. He did not believe in past life regression,and when the Bridey Murphy case came to light, people asked him to do so and he refused. It was a client who spontaneously had a past life regression that changed his mind - he challenged what the fellow was saying, grilled him for responses "what's your mother's maiden name? What street did you grow up on?" and without the client's knowledge contacted the British war office to see if this guy existed. And he did - so from there he began to admit patients who wanted past life regressions. And it was in the 60's when a woman claimed to go into the life between life realm - and he was blown away by what she was saying about it. So after studying his notes, he closed his public practice and only saw clients who could take him into this realm - and because he was "dragged kicking and screaming" into the movement, he was able to ask the hard, tough questions that needed to be asked. I know that Newton would deny being influence by any religion in his practice - as he avoided going into bookstores for 20 years for fear the title of a book would influence his questions - he didn't share his research with anyone (except his wife, who I also interviewed for my book and doc "Flipside") and didn't publish his results until 1994 ("Journey of Souls"). I think you have that backwards - no negativity implied - but Kabbalah (and many other religious texts and practices) show touches of Newton's research into this field. "Love your neighbor as yourself" comes to mind - although Newton would never say that, after reading his four books, filming dozens of sessions and having my own sessions - I've come to realize the sentence should include "because your neighbor is yourself." I think if you examine his research, you'll find echoes of every religion - from Egyptian sleep temples to the Tibetan book of the Dead - however, with a very compelling ability to codify, examine and lay out the process in a reasonable, logical way.

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Jun 2012 05:09:26 BDT
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light says:

There is a simple explanation about the plural usage of Elohim on:

Why is G‑d Called "Elokim"? - G‑d and Us
They called these "Elohim"-meaning, "mighty forces." Abraham came along and said ... Rabbi Tzvi Freeman, a senior editor at, also heads our Ask The Rabbi team.

Why is G‑d Called "Elokim"?

By Tzvi Freeman

I understand that the Tetragrammaton is the G‑d's true name. So why is G‑d also referred to in the Torah as "Elokim"? Isn't one name enough?


When Abraham started off, people understood that there is one original G‑d who is the essence of being. This is what we refer to with the four-letter name, the Tetragrammaton, whose code name in Kabbalah is "Havaya." That name can only be written in singular form. In fact, it is basically a conjugation of the verb "to be."

They knew of this concept of Havaya, but they considered it far too lofty an idea, seemingly inaccessible and irrelevant to their lives. Instead, they connected to the many forces of nature. They called these "Elohim"-meaning, "mighty forces."

Abraham came along and said, "You guys got it all wrong. Havaya is Elohim! It's all one! He is the essence of being and He is all the forces of nature in one big package!"

That's why, as the Biblical commentator Baal HaTurim points out, the Hebrew letters in the name Elohim have the same gematria (numerical value) as "haTeva"-which means the natural order.

The following site also has some good informtion on Elohim:

THE KABBALAH. - Internet Sacred Text Archive Home
Sacred Texts Women Bible Index Previous Next ... translated a feminine plural by a masculine singular in the case of the word Elohim.

The following segment explains how god is male/female. This concept is found in the Tree of Life which one side is masculine and the other is feminine.

The Kabbalah--the Hebrew esoteric doctrines--is a system of teachings with which only the very learned attempt to wrestle. It is claimed to have been handed down by oral tradition from angelic sources, through Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, the Seventy Elders, to David and to Solomon. No attempt was made to commit this sacred knowledge to writing, till, in the early centuries of the Christian era (authorities differ widely as to the date) the pupils of Rabbi Simeon ben Joachi put his teachings into writing; and this in later ages became known as the "Zohar," or "Book of Splendor." Around the name of this Rabbi Simeon ben Joachi, as one scholarly writer puts it, "cluster the mystery and the poetry of the religion of the Kabbalah as a gift of the Deity to mankind." The Zohar, which is only a part of the Kabbalah, is the great store-house of the esoteric teaching of the ancient Hebrews.

Returning to the quotations referred to above, MacGregor Mathers in his preface says: "I wish particularly to direct the reader's attention to the stress laid by the Kabbalah on the feminine aspects

{p. 107}

of the Deity, and to the shameful way in which any allusion to these has been suppressed in the ordinary translations of the Bible, also to the Kabbalistical equality of male and female."

Referring to the Sephiroth (the ten Kabbalistical attributes of God), Mr. Mathers says:

"Among these Sephiroth, jointly and severally, we find the development of the persons and the attributes of God. Of these, some are male and some are female. Now, for some reason or other, best known to themselves, the translators of the Bible have carefully crowded out of existence and smothered up every reference to the fact that the Deity is both masculine and feminine. They have translated a feminine plural by a masculine singular in the case of the word Elohim. They have, however, left an inadvertent admission of their knowledge that it was plural in Genesis iv., 26: 'And Elohim said: Let US make man.'

"Again (v., 27), how could Adam be made in the image of the Elohim, male and female, unless the Elohim were male and female also? The word Elohim is a plural formed from the feminine singular ALH, Eloh, by adding IM to the word. But inasmuch as IM is usually the termination of the masculine plural, and is here added to a feminine noun, it gives to the word Elohim the sense of a female potency united to a masculine idea, and thereby capable of producing an offspring. Now we hear much of the Father and the Son, but we hear nothing of the Mother in the ordinary religions of the day. But in the Kabbalah we find that the Ancient of Days conforms himself simultaneously into the Father and the Mother, and thus begets the Son. Now this Mother is Elohim."

The writer then goes on to show that the Holy Spirit, usually represented as masculine, is in fact feminine, Shekina. The first Sephira contained the other nine, and produced them in succession. The second is Chokmah (Wisdom), and is the active and evident Father to whom the Mother is united. The third is a feminine passive potency called Binah (Understanding), and is co-equal with Chokmah. Chokmah is powerless till the number three forms the triangle.

"Thus this Sephira completes and makes evident the supernal Trinity. It is also called AMA, Mother, the great productive Mother,

{p. 108}

who is eternally conjoined with the Father for the maintenance of the universe in order. Therefore is she the most evident form in whom we can know the Father, and therefore is she worthy of all honor. She is the supernal Mother, co-equal with Chokmah, and the great feminine form of God, the Elohim, in whose image man and woman were created, according to the teaching of the Kabbalah, equal before God. Woman is equal with man, not inferior to him, as it has been the persistent endeavor of so-called Christians to make her. Aima is the woman described in the Apocalypse (ch. 12)."

"This third Sephira is also sometimes called the Great Sea. To her are attributed the Divine names, ALAIM, Elohim, and IaHVeh ALHIM; and the angelic order, ARHLIM, the Thrones. She is the supernal Mother as distinguished from Malkuth, the inferior Mother, Bride and Queen. . . . In each of the three trinities or triads of the Sephiroth is a dual of opposite sexes, and a uniting intelligence which is the result. In this, the masculine and feminine potencies are regarded as the two scales of the balance, and the uniting Sephira as the beam which joins them."

In chapter viii. we read: "Chokmah is the Father, and Binah is the Mother, and therein are Chokmah (Wisdom) and Binah (Understanding), counterbalanced together in most perfect equality of Male and Female. And therefore are all things established in the equality of Male and Female; if it were not so, how could they subsist? . . . In their conformations are They found to be the perfections of all things--Father and Mother, Son and Daughter. These things have not been revealed save unto the Holy Superiors who have entered therein and departed therefrom, and have known the paths of the Most Holy God, so that they have not erred in them, either on the right hand or on the left."

That was probably more information than what you were looking for but I find it interesting and I thought you might too.

Incidentally, the 10 sephirot are known as 10 dimensions/ worlds, the 11th one is the hidden one of knowledge. Daat/knowledge is hidden because it must be earned and searched out carefully. As a person seeks to receive knowledge god also seeks to give it.

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Jun 2012 05:59:14 BDT
light says:

" I think if you examine his research, you'll find echoes of every religion - from Egyptian sleep temples to the Tibetan book of the Dead - however, with a very compelling ability to codify, examine and lay out the process in a reasonable, logical way."

Yes, I agree, most mystical writings from different religions have many similarities which I've noticed have been used in psychology.

Posted on 24 Jun 2012 08:41:01 BDT
R. martini says:
Thanks light. I've been filming life between life therapy sessions, and some interesting concepts have popped up in them as of late. In particular, one person, who works as a healer, had a very strong connection with her spirit guide, who called herself Elohim. The therapist asked about the name, and she said she was from a soul group that had never incarnated. That's pretty unusual - but I won't go into more than that as I haven't asked the person if I can share what was said or not. And I have recently heard from some therapists in India who in their sessions with clients doing past life regression, have been hearing "messages from the masters" as they call them with regard to our purpose here on Earth. And I've been collecting my own conversations with spirit guides to hear what they have to say to these clients about our journey here. I can tell you that each voice is different, none are the same - sometimes a spirit guide sounds kind of gruff, or annoyed at being asked simple questions. Others appear to seem completely at peace, and happy to share whatever knowledge they can in the time allotted (these sessions are typically four to five hours - and you don't really want them to end). My own spirit guide, who I feel as if I was able to speak to and have him speak through me, is a rather funny fellow, with a great sense of humor (or so it seemed). He described in detail the process of how we are created, then how we are assigned our spirit guide, and how we together plan out our many lifetimes - like painters addressing a blank canvas.

I can only tell you that as a skeptic, I would think what I'm saying is subject to all kinds of interpretation - and I've found that since every spirit guide is different, every one of them speaks from their own experience and not from a "higher position" or a "higher source." Then when I read about other people having conversations with spirit guides, I know to take them in context - from the person who is being spoken to, the amount of knowledge and information they could handle at that particular moment in time, and then the filtering of the message so that people can understand it.

Whether it's speaking to the Angel Gabriel, or speaking to Uncle Pete - these spirit masters or spirit guides are not all knowing, nor are they finished with their own path. They're on a path as well - from spirit guide to council member to a council's council, etc.. They can only report what they know as well,and share some of their insight into the Afterlife. So what I'm saying is that while every religious tradition has these stories of speaking to the spirit world, there is no uniform version of these events, revelations or dictums - they are all filtered through the individuals who hear them (myself included).

So when Michael Newton catalogs, breaks down and examines what thousands of people say in these sessions, he's able to put dozens of sessions about a particular topic into one category - what a life library is like, what the council of elders is like, etc. Everyone sees these places differently - sometimes in a grove, sometimes in a university setting - but they all report these same events sometimes in different order.

And as such, for me, it's the first time I'm aware of that someone has been able to examine these various claims of a journey into a life between life - and categorize them. It's the tip of the iceberg - there are many revelations to come, as he's trained hundreds of therapists worldwide, and they're out there gathering this information on a daily basis. New details about our journey here come every day. Of course these sessions are not done to aid humanity, it's to help the individual clients examine their own path - but I'm thinking that by disseminating and sharing what people are saying about the afterlife on a consistent basis, it gives us a jumping off place to study what they're saying - from a scientific standpoint, from an environmental standpoint, from a religious standpoint. etc. And what they're saying only deepens and enriches what the ancients were saying, but who didn't have the benefit of the internet to share their revelations, visions and messages simultaneously with the planet.

The reframe I'm observing is fairly simple - it's not that we are humans seeking divine guidance - rather our home base is there, backstage if you will, and there we are complete individuals (its reported only a third of our energy shows up for any particular lifetime) observing our lives here the way a person might view a remote television - back there we aren't caught up with the day to day crises we experience here, we allow ourselves to go off and learn life lessons by the stones in our path... and while it appears our books and manifestos and religious texts are important to us as humans, from the spirit world perspective, they're like love songs or poems that make an attempt to describe what love is - the concept is beyond words, and no love song or poem gets it exactly right - but they get a sense of it. That's my two cents anyway.

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Jun 2012 16:13:45 BDT
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light says:
Hi Martini,

Everything you have written I have also read about elsewhere, this type of thing really intrigues me. Not many people are interested in it on the religion forum, it is usually mocked.

I talked to a Rabbi once who told me that the soul exists on many planes or worlds at the same time and is connected by a silver thread, the silver thread is mentioned only once in the OT, but does not menion the part about the soul existing on other planes.

I believe in reincarnation and soul growth and everything else you have mentioned, I also believe that some people make things up for their own benefit but that some are also genuine stories.

I had an experience once when my favorite teacher/master asked me to share his word, I promised that I would, he thanked me and that was it, from there I had to find out exactly what his word was because I didn't want to make any mistakes in misrepresenting him. Talk about not making it easy for me, that's ok if it had been told to me directly I wouldn't have found the things I found, I suppose the search encompassed part of my soul growth.

My daughter has seen ghosts a couple of times in her life she knows that one was a man and one was a little girl. I went to a psychic once and without me saying anything to her about it she told me that my daughter can see ghosts, that took me by surprise, I asked her why she can see them and she said because they can see her, they sense eachother. We don't talk about it much because I don't want her to freak out over it, but whenever the occasion arrises we try to figure things out.

I read your post on the good or bad karma thread on the philosphy forum and I am also familiar with most of what you wrote there too. I find this kind of stuff very interesting. If I remember correctly you said that an advanced soul doesn't necessarily have the good lives, they are the ones who choose the more difficult ones so that they speed up their growth, plus this also enables them to help others with their growth as well. I agree with that, it makes sense, growth is about maturing and inner-transformation, not how much money one can accumulate.

One more thing, I also agree that the teacher or god only reveals what someone is able to accept or understand otherwise it ends up coming out like the experience Ezekiel had with the spinning wheels and all that. God seeks those who seek him, as we move God moves, more will be revealed if one prepares himself to receive.

It's good for a change to find someone who is interested in the same thing as me.

take care light

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Jun 2012 17:47:15 BDT
L.A.S. says:
Greetings light - We discussed much of this same topic about a year or so ago. I've been away for most of the past year, so it's good to see a familiar 'face' here...;o). Rich (Martini) has considerable experience in much of what you and I believe in. I've read his book and many others that discuss Michael Newton's work and the author's own experiences. I very strongly believe in the these concepts.

When I started this thread I used Jesus and the term alien; however, my intent was to eventually work the discussion to where it is now. Wouldn't a soul, possessing a human physical form, but from another planet/world/parallel universe be considered an alien? I think so. The silver thread you and Rich have mentioned is a close parallel to the quantum physics string theory and makes sense from any unbiased perspective.

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Jun 2012 23:18:25 BDT
Pendragon says:
Hmm. Are you *sure* you are not really Lex Luthor?

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Jun 2012 03:18:16 BDT
Last edited by the author on 25 Jun 2012 03:44:25 BDT
light says:

Well according to Universal Consciousness we are all connected :D The idea of being separate is an illusion because everything and everyone eventually has a effect on everything, I think this can be related to the Butterfly effect. This reminds me of an Indian proverb, I'll go and find it.

Here it is:

Native American Legends
Two Wolves
A Cherokee Legend
An old Cherokee is teaching his grandson about life. "A fight is going on inside me," he said to the boy.

"It is a terrible fight and it is between two wolves. One is evil - he is anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego." He continued, "The other is good - he is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, and faith. The same fight is going on inside you - and inside every other person, too."

The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather, "Which wolf will win?"

The old Cherokee simply replied, "The one you feed."

Here is the same story, but it is called "Grandfather Tells" which is also known as "The Wolves Within"
An old Grandfather said to his grandson, who came to him with anger at a friend who had done him an injustice, "Let me tell you a story.

I too, at times, have felt a great hate for those that have taken so much, with no sorrow for what they do.

But hate wears you down, and does not hurt your enemy. It is like taking poison and wishing your enemy would die. I have struggled with these feelings many times." He continued, "It is as if there are two wolves inside me. One is good and does no harm. He lives in harmony with all around him, and does not take offense when no offense was intended. He will only fight when it is right to do so, and in the right way.

But the other wolf, ah! He is full of anger. The littlest thing will set him into a fit of temper. He fights everyone, all the time, for no reason. He cannot think because his anger and hate are so great. It is helpless anger,for his anger will change nothing.

Sometimes, it is hard to live with these two wolves inside me, for both of them try to dominate my spirit."

The boy looked intently into his Grandfather's eyes and asked, "Which one wins, Grandfather?"

The Grandfather smiled and quietly said, "The one I feed."

See Pendragon, we can all be Lex Luthor or we can all choose to be Superman :D

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Jun 2012 04:02:36 BDT
light says:
Hi Lex,

Yes, I'm still here looking for a way to pass some time and learn something new.

I agree, anything or anyone that comes from outside the earth can be considered an alien.

I found an article on wiki that relates with what I have learned about the silver thread:

The silver cord in metaphysical literature, also known as the sutratma or life thread of the antahkarana, refers to a life-giving linkage from the higher self (atma) down to the physical body. It also refers to an extended synthesis of this thread and a second (the consciousness thread, passing from the soul to the physical body) that connects the physical body to the etheric body, onwards to the astral body and finally to the mental body.

Astral projection During astral projection and out-of-body experiences, some claim they can (at will or otherwise) see a silver cord linking their astral form to their physical body. This cord mainly appears to a beginning projector as an assurance they will not become lost. However, even experienced projectors find it useful, claiming it is a fast way to return to the body.

The attachment point of the cord to the astral body differs, not only between projectors but also from projection to projection. These points correspond to major chakra positions. According to the observations of Robert Bruce, there is not a single point of connection to the denser body, but rather a locally converging collection of strands leading out of all of the major chakras, and some of the minor ones (Astral Dynamics, p398).

The silver cord is mentioned by mystics, especially in contexts of dying and of near-death experiences.

Origin of the termThe term is derived from Ecclesiastes 12:6-12:7 in the Old Testament, from the KJV:

"Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern. Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it."
Or from the NIV:

"Remember him-before the silver cord is severed, or the golden bowl is broken; before the pitcher is shattered at the spring, or the wheel broken at the well, and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it."

Posted on 25 Jun 2012 04:41:48 BDT
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light says:
I don't know if you are interested in more information about the silver cord but I found another article on it which coinsides with other material I've read on the silver cord:

RABBI SIMEON, when on a journey accompanied by Rabbi Eleazar, his son, Rabbi Abba and Rabbi Jehuda, said: "How astonishing it is that men give so little consideration to the study of the secret doctrine and the precepts of the good law.83a It is written, 'My soul delights in thee during the night, yea, my spirit within me seeks thee early' (Is. XXVII. 9).Is. 26:9 Though these words have been commented upon, we will give a further interpretation of their meaning. When a man retires to rest at night, his nephesh or soul leaves the body and ascends on high. If it be said so do all souls, it is not so, for not all ascend and behold the face of the king. When the soul leaves the body, its connection with the body remains intact, by means of what is termed the, "silver cord," or magnetic tie. In its ascent it passes through hosts of elementals, until it arrives and reaches the region of light and purity. If found undefiled and untarnished by any immoral or unjust act and deed transacted during the previous day, it mounts still higher. If, on the contrary, it bears the least mark or stain of evil, these elementary spirits gather around it, deterring its ascent with pleasing delusions of future happiness or with visions of delight that are never realized and fulfilled. In this state of false and deceitful dreaming, it remains during the night until it returns and, re-entering its body, becomes awake. Blessed are the righteous.

to whom the Holy One reveals his secret things by vision or dream so that they are forewarned and preserved from coming and incumbent judgments and calamities. But woe unto those wrong and evil doers who corrupt themselves both in body and soul.

"Note that when the pure and undefiled retire to rest, their souls ascending through all the intervening different hosts and degrees of elementary spirits, direct their course towards the region of pure spirits, impelled and guided thither by their own interior impulses and, ere the day dawns, they enter into loving intercourse and converse with kindred souls, and, in company with them, behold the glory of the celestial King and visit his splendid temples. He who has attained to this stage and state of spiritual development in the higher and diviner life, will find an everlasting portion in the world to come, and also that his soul becomes an ark to his real self and spirit ego and which, when unified and blended in one, the perfected being proceeds on its eternal ascent towards the Holy One, for from the divine has it, the83a-83b spirit ego comes forth, and unto the divine will it return at length. This is then what the psalmist meant,--'My soul longeth after thee in the night,' that is, desires to ascend to its source and will suffer nothing to divert it from its course.

"The word nephesh (soul) designates the lower self in the time of sleep, whilst the term 'ruach' is applied to it in its state of wakefulness and activity on the earth plane. The nephesh and ruach proceed from one and the same origin, being only productions of one principle, the spirit or higher self. So, then, as man is a; microcosm, a copy or paradigm of the universe, he is in his constitution a reflection of the divine nature, the Supreme Wisdom. The nephesh and ruach are the two angles at the base of a triangle and with that of the apex form a whole or perfect figure. When the neshama, the spiritual ego or higher self, prevails and rules within a man, he becomes holy and divine, because he then begins to conform himself to the image or likeness of the Holy One. The nephesh is the lower part of the individuality and its personal manifestation is the outward material body. Without the one, the other could not exist. As the body is to the nephesh so is this nephesh to the ruach. The ruach is superior to the nephesh and is referred to in the words, 'Until the ruach (translated spirit) be poured upon us from on high'.

The lower self, consisting of nephesh and ruach, is susceptible of the influence of the neshama acting upon it. Thus there is a logical and intimate connection and relation between these three parts of every individuality, forming a scale of ascension from the nephesh to the neshama, whose nature and existence, its present connection with the soul and its own future state and destiny, is a most profound mystery. Though beyond human comprehension, through and by meditation thereon, we can rightly infer that all the grades of existence between the lowest and highest, between man and the zoophyte on the one hand and between man and archangel on the other, though infinite in number, are but terms in the infinite series of organic and inorganic life, the integration and summation of which is the Divine Himself, the life of all lives, the fount of all being.

"Note that the nephesh joined to the outward body has the same relation to it as the lowest part of the flame of a candle has to the wick from which it is never separable and could not exist on or manifest itself apart from it and form a basis or substratum to the higher and brighter part of the flame to which the wick and the dark or lower part of the flame give rise. Above all of them imperceptible to human vision there exists a higher and brighter flame than its lower components, giving forth a clear and perfect light. The same or similar relation exists between the component parts of every individual being, the highest of which and invisible to human eye, is the neshama or divine part of man's nature and constitution, and so when the nephesh, ruach and neshama are in harmonic relation with each other, a man becomes holy through the divine life that then flows into him, and qualifies him for the reception and perception of divine mysteries, as it is written, 'He makes known through the righteous that are on the earth, all that we wish to know of him'.

"When Abraham entered the Holy land, the Holy One manifested himself unto him, as it is stated, 'And the Lord appeared unto Abraham.' This was his first initiation in the divine mysteries, the beginning of his ascension in the divine Ife, and therefore he built an altar as a symbol of the degree he had attained unto, after which he journeyed, going still towards the south, by which is signified, that passing through the various grades of initiation, he attained to that of ruach, adeptship, and subsequently to that of the neshama, symbolized.

by the hexagon, that indicates the harmony and union of the higher and lower self with the Divine. This attained unto, he built another altar corresponding thereto. This union with the Divine is the mystery of all mysteries; but ere Abraham could attain unto this high degree of spiritual life and knowledge, it was necessary to subject him to trial and probation, and therefore it was that he went down into Egypt; that is, he had to intermingle and come into personal contact and intercourse with the sinful world, its seductions and charms, its allurements and enticements to sensual indulgence, against which Abraham resisted, suffering himself not to be deluded and beguiled, thereby standing firm and steadfast and impervious to all assaults, proved himself faithful to the great principles and dictates of the divine life to which he had attained; and then, as stated, 'He ascended up out of Egypt toward the south, or in other words, he came out of his ordeal and period of probation purified and inwardly illuminated, to become regarded as a guide and paradigm to all other souls who are wearily climbing their way upwards on the steep and lofty spiral of the divine life. It is further added, 'And Abraham was very rich in cattle, in silver and in gold.' 'Very rich' signifies the east, cattle the west, silver the south, gold the north, the four quarters of the world, symbolizing totality of divine knowledge and wisdom."

I know it's a lot to read but it is intersting, the last paragraph reminds me of Jesus' temptation, we must all be tempted otherwise we would know our spiritual condition. Only the purified souls are able to receive the higher knowledge of god, but I believe that those who believe will receive knowledge according to the level or step they are on in life. In other words, if one pursues god, more will be revealed.

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Jun 2012 08:07:49 BDT
Pendragon says:
Hi light

Nice stories! But I'd rather not be, amongst others, Jim Guest or Col "Blimpy" B Lott, if that's allowed. Not because I have any hatred for them, but because I would not wish to BE them.

So I guess I shall choose not to.

Lex Luthor on the other hand, as portrayed by Michael Rosenbaum ...

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Jun 2012 09:37:56 BDT
Isobel Ayres says:
Fantastic character. I only watched the first few series of Smallville but Lex was great and so was Chloe. Far more interesting than Lana or Lois (yawn).

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Jun 2012 09:54:01 BDT
Pendragon says:
Fully agreed about Lex, Chloe and Lana. The series was never the same after Michael Rosenbaum left at the end of, I think, Season 7.

I don't know how much you saw of Erica Durance's portrayal of Lois, but she delivered some well written lines superbly from time to time. Vastly superior to Lana imho.
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