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In reply to an earlier post on 26 Feb 2013 11:02:20 GMT
Drew Jones says:
Here's an illustration:
http://wp.patheos.com.s3.amazonaws.com/blogs/unreasonablefaith/files/2012/07/old-atheists-vs-new-atheists-600x334.jpeg

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Feb 2013 11:06:44 GMT
Ian says:
You still haven't told us what a neo-atheist is.

Your original post is still there - the talk really isn't worth posting twice (it wasn't really worth posting once).

What has the imprisoning of political prisoners have to do with atheism?

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Feb 2013 11:10:15 GMT
Dan Fante says:
His comments were on the person as well as the talk though. And if he watched half of it and thought it was guff, I can forgive him for not continuing purely for the sake of it.
Which specific falsehoods are you referring to by the way?

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Feb 2013 11:20:46 GMT
Laurence says:
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Posted on 26 Feb 2013 11:22:17 GMT
J. Forbes says:
The talk was so very poor that I didn't want to waste any space on it, but I will just say that it had no structure, it said almost nothing about the subject (other than claiming that knowledge of Lemaitre's status as a priest had been suppressed. Funnily enough, it's almost the first think Wiki says about him.). The man rambled and droned and stated the obvious and the irrelevant so often that it was embarrassing.

It was VERY, VERY, VERY, poor.

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Feb 2013 11:25:11 GMT
Norm Deplume says:
" WASPish atheism"

Do you do know what the P stands for in WASP?

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Feb 2013 11:27:34 GMT
Laurence says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 26 Feb 2013 11:34:04 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 26 Feb 2013 11:35:10 GMT
Drew Jones says:
Yahweh isn't the only god so prohibiting him and a few others besides doesn't necessarily leave you with atheism. North Korean gulags are full of non-believers, a-Kim Il-Sung-ists if you will. If ever there was a state that promoted devotion to s trinity/singular being and punished non-adhherence it would be North Korea.

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Feb 2013 11:37:31 GMT
Dan Fante says:
It's a figure of speech.

Posted on 26 Feb 2013 11:41:13 GMT
J. Forbes says:
Mr Lawrence, what does your "scientist" do when he discovers that science and religion conflict?

If he follows science, then he has to give up religion. If he follows religion, then he is not a scientist.

A person with religious beliefs can work in science, but is not entitled to use of the word scientist for so long as he thinks that religion trumps science. It means he thinks that there is a place where science stops and magic begins, and that that is all right.

So far this Pinsent has skirted the issue by deluding himself.

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Feb 2013 11:41:36 GMT
Laurence says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 26 Feb 2013 11:53:04 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 26 Feb 2013 11:57:48 GMT
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Posted on 26 Feb 2013 12:05:14 GMT
J. Forbes says:
The latest ploy of the credulous when asked a question they can't answer:

"I believe you are feigning bemusement".

Nice try, Mr Lawrence, but it won't wash. Now, what is a neo-atheist?

I suspect you actually mean a militant atheist, but you use the word "neo" because poorly educated people think the word imparts a certain intellectual gravitas.

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Feb 2013 12:05:43 GMT
Dan Fante says:
North Korea is in many ways like a medieval state in which the king was considered the embodiment of God on Earth. Now, that is not in anyway an indictment on modern Christianity but at the same time it is more than a tad ridiculous to suggest that North Korea is in someway the logical conclusion of atheism. There are many factors that have led to North Korea becoming the way it has - the war with America, the subsequent influence of the Chinese regime, the country's isolationism, the cult of personality and skewed communist ideology promoted by the regime, etc., etc.

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Feb 2013 12:09:44 GMT
Laurence says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 26 Feb 2013 12:12:23 GMT
Spin says:
Dan: North Korea is indeed a strange nation. And both North and South Korea it have the US to thank for that.

Posted on 26 Feb 2013 12:14:50 GMT
Last edited by the author on 26 Feb 2013 12:17:51 GMT
Kim Il-Sung is revered like an eternal god. Worshipped every morning, his son's birth was heralded with new stars in the sky and rainbows, flowers blossoming out of season, etc. The regime is run by mad men who starve, control and brainwash an entire population of people.

Your going to the very extreme reaches and very isolated case of so called "Neo-Atheism" what ever that is and then missing the point entirely about what it is to be an Atheist

Atheism is extremely simple, it is the non-belief in Deity's. Nothing more

Anything else that someone believes is not part of their Atheism it is simply their own views. As for secular societies... the UK is a secular society although I would prefer to have only elected officals in parliment. That is an example of secular

Look at Saudi Arabia where they behead witches and warlocks, Afghanastan where they shoot little girls for wanting to learn, Iran where the ayatollah khomeini preaches his hate speech, there are many more religious countries that have terrible terrible leaders and laws, not just the "Neo-Atheists" and North Korea

I'd take my chances in a secular society any day over any of those countries

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Feb 2013 12:15:32 GMT
Dan Fante says:
Without the US intervention, the whole country would probably be like the North.

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Feb 2013 12:16:43 GMT
J. Forbes says:
For a professed Christian, you do seem to carry a lot of hate around, Mr Lawrence.

Didn't the chippie adjure you to love your neighbour? And didn't he point out that the reviled Samaritans were also to be considered neighbours? They were effectively the atheists of their day (in Israelite eyes).

I think your passage to heaven could turn out to have a disappointing conclusion. So, see you later, and don't forget to bring lots of ice.

Posted on 26 Feb 2013 12:18:25 GMT
Dan Fante says:
It's a shame he wasn't making these points in December. I would have loved to sign off my posts with 'Merry Christmas, Mr Laurence'.

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Feb 2013 12:19:33 GMT
Laurence says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 26 Feb 2013 12:22:47 GMT
Laurence says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 26 Feb 2013 12:25:58 GMT
Last edited by the author on 26 Feb 2013 12:27:36 GMT
Dan Fante says:
I would suggest that the regime took note of how successful the cult of personality was in places like Stalinist Russia and in China. I would also suggest the resemblance to religious societies of the past is because those societies often used religion as a means of control. I never said they created a god there though, you did.
And no, your assumption that I believe a more 'pure' form of communism would work nicely is not correct. The leaders in Korea don't seem to be applying Karl Marx to the letter though, do they?
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