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In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2013 09:42:59 BDT
AJ Murray says:
-"But this doesn't change the fact Penrose argues that if any of about 60 variables with wide margins were off by even a little we would not be here."

So? Something else would be, it's hardly an act of genius to point out that had my grandfather married someone else, myself and a my father would not be here. This is why this sort of argument fails constantly - it's an act of retrospective astonishment.

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2013 09:57:36 BDT
O.Binladen says:
Interesting point Richard. A fairly repulsive idea, but given the discrimination against women, especially in poorer countries it makes a lot of sense.
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In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2013 10:09:49 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2013 13:05:14 BDT
brunumb says:
Tom M: "The point is , that the universe appears fine tuned for intelligent life."

If that were the case you would expect the universe to be teeming with life. If there is no other life out there, what is its purpose? Our own planet does not appear to have been fine tuned for human life if you want to argue that we are part of a special creation.

Tom M: "Penfield [sic] calculated that there were about 10^10^123rd other mathematical scenarios possible."

Mathematical scenarios do not necessarily equate to viable physical scenarios. If you don't know the exact conditions at the instant of the Big Bang, and how or even if the various forces interacted with each other, there is no way of knowing what type of universe should eventuate. It might be that physical laws make our universe an inevitable outcome.

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2013 13:10:50 BDT
Last edited by the author on 29 Jul 2013 13:15:13 BDT
brunumb says:
Tom M: "But this doesn't change the fact Penrose argues that if any of about 60 variables with wide margins were off by even a little we would not be here."

Once an event actually occurs all probabilities relating to the likelihood of that event become irrelevant. As long as the probability of an event is not zero, that event can occur. The probability of randomly selecting one black ball present among a billion white balls may be staggeringly small, but it can happen, and it can happen on the very first try.

[Edit: Oops. I have responded to a different point, but I can't be bothered fixing it]

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2013 13:29:52 BDT
AJ Murray says:
Probabilities are something that a lot of creationists and Christians have a problem with; they appear to think that low probability equates to impossibility.

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2013 15:51:28 BDT
Stu says:
excellent post karen,but knowing tom he will reply with a diatribe of drivel im afraid

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2013 15:53:04 BDT
K. Hoyles says:
I can't wait! ;)

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2013 15:53:12 BDT
Stu says:
i asked the same thing last week karen

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2013 15:54:22 BDT
K. Hoyles says:
Oh dear, is it something we said?

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2013 15:55:39 BDT
Stu says:
hes waiting for father christmas to bring it bellatori

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2013 15:59:21 BDT
Stu says:
it might actually be something he said karen as he had several warnings

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2013 16:00:41 BDT
K. Hoyles says:
Really? Is he any worse than Bradders, or Tom? I think not.

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2013 16:38:08 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2013 16:51:26 BDT
Could it be M. E. Phelan, Bellatori?

It could be false memory but I seem to recall an exchange where Clive's wife and her were to get in touch. She is usually on the politics forums.

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2013 17:02:54 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2013 17:18:10 BDT
Stu says:
please do bellatori tell him we miss him

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2013 17:19:38 BDT
Stu says:
no karen its the way he said it

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2013 17:20:15 BDT
Mr. P. Smith says:
Alec says:- "You can point to a negative quite easily but there are countless testimonies around the world of the exact opposite. God answers prayer it really is that simple."

Only some Alec!
Strangely enough it turns out to be those that never needed a prayer in the first place.
He never answered mine sir!
The *only* real, heartfelt plea I ever made.
Dead silence - and it's no pun.
It wasn't exactly *the* turning point for me - more of the last straw kind of situation.
I believe in humanity now - much more productive and kind!

Peter

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2013 17:24:20 BDT
Mr. P. Smith says:
Alec says:- "Why should God give me a big house or a fast car, yet God will give me a house and God will give me a car."

Blatant materialism Alec - something we atheists seem to be accused of at every opportunity.
Oh - and an 'eternal life' of course.
Fancy forgetting that one!

Peter

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2013 17:27:58 BDT
Mr. P. Smith says:
Alec says:- "He came back one day and the tumour had gone. Couldn't really be explained."

Spontaneous remission Alec - it happens quite a lot with some afflictions.
Happens to anyone - whatever they believe, or don't believe.
It isn't, in other words, specific to believers.

Peter

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2013 17:39:38 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2013 18:01:47 BDT
Stu says:
thanks bellatori,i did ask her not to leave just because spin was getting at her seeing her as the weakest one,she should put him on ignore like i have,as he was rather repugnent yesterday

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2013 19:38:20 BDT
Mr. P. Smith says:
Diane says:- "God gave you the free will to do that. "

And the doctrines He forces you to follow remove them from your grasp - and more besides.
In the words of the Bible :- "He giveth, and He taketh away!"
How very apt.
In our view of course, He isn't there and cannot give you anything.
So we keep all of our 'free will' - such as it is in sane, and civilised context.

Peter

Posted on 29 Jul 2013 21:08:12 BDT
Heretic says:
I remember a friend saying that he would pray for me during a recent crisis. Two minutes later he came back and said that there was no certainty that his prayer would be answered in the way he intended, I replied that "If prayer were certain then it would be called something else".

SWH
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