Customer Discussions > religion discussion forum

What is the "Atheist" basis of morality?


Sort: Oldest first | Newest first
Showing 1-25 of 1000 posts in this discussion
Initial post: 6 Mar 2013 17:28:45 GMT
Spin says:
What is the reason or justification for "morality" if the atheist is correct? On what basis does an atheist argue for a moral or ethical position?

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Mar 2013 17:51:32 GMT
I do not think that there is any "Athiest position" as to why we should be moral. Athiesm is not an organized belief system with a set of doctrines, a holy book and with sub sects like many religions.

Many Athiests would not commit an immoral act such as killing or stealing because they believe it to be wrong. If pressed to define "wrong", they would probably say that morality existed long before any of the worlds major religions and that concepts or instincts of right and wrong evolved to promote social cohesion and survival.

A group of early humans who accepted unrestricted killing each other or stealing from each other would probably be less likely to survive and pass on their genes than a group that felt otherwise. Some might argue that there is an element or selfishness or reciprocal altruism to morality. If we treat others well, then they will be more likely to do the same to us.

One of my athiest friends was asked this question about why we should be moral if God does not exist by a Born Again Christian. Her reply was to ask what sort of society we would have if we all went around killing and stealing? Her answer is basically that morality is in the common good.

Many religious people say that they are moral because God says they should be in a holy book. It might be argued though that such people are only acting out of fear of punishment and are not really moral. A moral athiest is acting of his own free will and not out of fear.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Mar 2013 17:57:06 GMT
Spin says:
Phil; So why be "moral"? Does not "atheism" entail abosolute freedom?

Posted on 6 Mar 2013 19:12:46 GMT
Last edited by the author on 6 Mar 2013 19:16:06 GMT
BC says:
[Customers don't think this post adds to the discussion. Show post anyway. Show all unhelpful posts.]

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Mar 2013 19:24:51 GMT
Last edited by the author on 6 Mar 2013 19:28:53 GMT
Spin says:
[Customers don't think this post adds to the discussion. Show post anyway. Show all unhelpful posts.]

Posted on 6 Mar 2013 19:27:05 GMT
Obelix says:
Religion, taken to its logical conclusion, is nothing short of totalitarian rule.

Thankfully it will never happen, except in the fantasies of notably dodgy characters.

Posted on 6 Mar 2013 19:30:25 GMT
Pendragon says:
"I am not an atheist. Nor am I a Theist. The fool says in in his heart "I know". "

Spin used to be indecisive.

Now he's not so sure.

Posted on 6 Mar 2013 19:30:36 GMT
BC says:
[Customers don't think this post adds to the discussion. Show post anyway. Show all unhelpful posts.]

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Mar 2013 19:35:08 GMT
Pendragon says:
"atheist, repent quickly of [etc] before it is too late, before your precious eternal soul falls into the gaping abyss of hell fire".

No pressure then.

Incidentally, Rom 3:23 says "All" not "All atheists".
Doesn't really support your point.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Mar 2013 19:37:22 GMT
Spin says:
Pen: "The only thing I know is that I know nothing" (Socrates)

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Mar 2013 19:37:27 GMT
TomC says:
"Most atheists I've met don't want to feel or acknowledge guilt for wrong doing or sin. "

Ah, proof by anecdote. Always very compelling, I find.

Posted on 6 Mar 2013 19:37:47 GMT
Last edited by the author on 6 Mar 2013 19:49:41 GMT
BC says:
Hi Ryan, I'm pleased to discuss with you via this media. I'm interested in your comment. I have always thought that it would be mass atheism that would lead to totalitarianism! Why would atheism be helpful to anyone who has a troubled conscience for their past sins? What would you say to such a person, even after self forgiveness and forgiveness from other people whom they had wronged still deeply troubled them?

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Mar 2013 19:47:06 GMT
Last edited by the author on 6 Mar 2013 19:48:24 GMT
BC says:
Hi Tom C. I have wanted to ask you a question for as long as I have read your posts on the atheism v religion forums. What kind of evidence do you think might ever be acceptable to you as proof that there is a God? I defer to you to write your own proof, proof that you yourself could accept. Sorry for another anecdote. I once met an avowed atheist and said this to him ... if there was a God, don't you think He is big enough and powerful enough to get His message to humanity exactly as He intended. I put to him and to you, that that is exactly what the true God has done in the Holy Bible. The gentleman was speechless for about five seconds, realising, I believe, the sense of the humble statement. Sadly, he composed himself again and ended the discussion with a long list of reasons why God could not exist based on the reality of the reasons stated. It wasn't you was it?

Posted on 6 Mar 2013 19:55:38 GMT
Last edited by the author on 6 Mar 2013 19:56:10 GMT
BC says:
[Customers don't think this post adds to the discussion. Show post anyway. Show all unhelpful posts.]

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Mar 2013 20:02:08 GMT
TomC says:
"It wasn't you was it? "

No. I rarely get involved in discussions on religion vs atheism; in my experience they are generally profitless. I understand why the person was speechless though.

I once stated my position here - I can't really improve on it.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/forum/religion/ref=cm_cd_search_res_rm?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx24A4CS3HPMJLK&cdPage=13&cdSort=oldest&cdThread=Tx32POH6TXYUZ6V#Mx2H7Y53VOOTWLR

As it happens, a particularly prolific poster made this rather startling declaration recently:

"From time to time, Jesus Christ... and His Mother too... return to us on earth from their heavenly home... appearing in all clarity, often speaking clearly and holding conversations with those who are favoured by these Apparitions... confirming His Will, His Care and His Love for us. "

I responded by offering to put the kettle on and invite Jesus and his mum in for tea. The poster laughed it off as a joke, but it really wasn't. None of his copious amounts of verbiage had impressed me at all, but a personal appearance by Jesus - with, of course, a few miracles thrown in - could throw a very different light on things.

You will perhaps not be surprised to learn that I am not holding my breath waiting for them to ring the doorbell, though.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Mar 2013 20:04:00 GMT
Pendragon says:
BC

"that is exactly what the true God has done in the Holy Bible".

OK, but how do you reply to the Muslim who says "that is exactly what the true God has done in the Holy Qur'an"?

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Mar 2013 20:06:39 GMT
Last edited by the author on 6 Mar 2013 20:08:55 GMT
K. Hoyles says:
' Most atheists I've met don't want to feel or acknowledge guilt for wrong doing or sin.'

I don't think so. Judging by your posts, I don't think you know the first thing about atheists, atheism or humanity in general. You do seem to be full of your own sense of self importance though, I'll give you that.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Mar 2013 20:10:39 GMT
Spin says:
K; If you do not believe in a deity, then who are you to proclaim who is right and who is wrong?

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Mar 2013 20:13:07 GMT
K. Hoyles says:
Why are you asking Spin? I thought you didn't have an opinion either way, so why would it bother you?

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Mar 2013 20:13:10 GMT
BC says:
[Customers don't think this post adds to the discussion. Show post anyway. Show all unhelpful posts.]

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Mar 2013 20:24:07 GMT
Last edited by the author on 6 Mar 2013 20:25:24 GMT
BC says:
[Customers don't think this post adds to the discussion. Show post anyway. Show all unhelpful posts.]

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Mar 2013 20:25:30 GMT
Pendragon says:
BC

"what do [I] think of Jesus Christ?"

Well meaning chap, dished out heaps of good advice, a true egalitarian, got a raw deal from the Romans, would probably be appalled at the religions that have since been founded in his name. I think he and I would get on rather well.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Mar 2013 20:26:44 GMT
Spin says:
K; Why should it bother me? Because you, who claim to oppose the dictatorship of others, dictate to me about what I should believe. It is not your belief that annoys me, but your presumption to dictate to others.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Mar 2013 20:30:08 GMT
BC says:
[Customers don't think this post adds to the discussion. Show post anyway. Show all unhelpful posts.]

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Mar 2013 20:35:49 GMT
BC says:
[Customers don't think this post adds to the discussion. Show post anyway. Show all unhelpful posts.]
‹ Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 ... 90 Next ›
[Add comment]
Add your own message to the discussion
To insert a product link use the format: [[ASIN:ASIN product-title]] (What's this?)
Prompts for sign-in
 


 

This discussion

Discussion in:  religion discussion forum
Participants:  71
Total posts:  2227
Initial post:  6 Mar 2013
Latest post:  26 May 2013

New! Receive e-mail when new posts are made.
Tracked by 2 customers

Search Customer Discussions