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Why be Moral or Ethical in ones behaviour?


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Initial post: 12 Jul 2012 20:14:25 BDT
Spin says:
If God dictates all, why bother? If there is no God, Why bother? God forgives what you do and if there is no God, it does not matter what you do... Neither Theism nor Atheism can support morality. Each represents, not Mankind, but our love of tradition and apparent security and this leads us to error,,,, a personal ethic; No. We all know what is right and what is wrong. If you can sleep at night knowing you have argued only for your own sake,,,
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In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jul 2012 20:18:45 BDT
.....and the point of this thread starter is???

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jul 2012 20:20:46 BDT
Spin....firstly we need to put the psychopaths to one side...you say "we all know what is right and what is wrong". That is proven wrong by the evidence of psychos like the Yorkshire Ripper.

Secondly what you think is moral/ethical is very different from a member of the Taleban or a member of the Klu Klux Klan.

So the only thing we can discuss is your thread title. "Why be Moral or Ethical in ones behaviour". The Fount "tries" to be moral/ethical as a way to overcome the reptile and the lower functions of the amygdala. The Fount also believes that more PFC activity creates more happiness and more morality. So morality = happiness.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jul 2012 20:21:20 BDT
For Banal Brian to cease the banalness and become vibrant Brian.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jul 2012 20:24:58 BDT
For Simple Simon to cease the Simpleness and become Banished Boyd.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jul 2012 20:25:56 BDT
Spin says:
Banal: in case it escaped your attention, the question is "Why be Moral or Ethical in ones behaviour"? The question requires an element of intellectual reflection prior to knee-jerk reactions...

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jul 2012 20:28:31 BDT
BB...wise words...the Fount whoops and cheers...!! hurrahhhhhhhhhhhh!!

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jul 2012 20:28:52 BDT
Spin...well said Sir!

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jul 2012 20:29:09 BDT
I think you will find the majority of reactions will be knee jerk to your thread starter my friend.
Stating you are an intellectual doesn't equate with common sense in my experience.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jul 2012 20:31:23 BDT
Last edited by the author on 12 Jul 2012 20:31:34 BDT
BB...you are a man?...of little experience...Spin is very sharp and has a keen mind...

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jul 2012 20:33:48 BDT
Spin says:
Banal@: If you are so certain in your beliefs, explain to me why I shouid be moral or ethical. After all is said and done,, you know all, do you not? By the way, I never have claimed I am "intellectual"; it is you that claims superiority, not I.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jul 2012 20:37:03 BDT
I am 79, a retired clockmaker, lived all round the world, married 4 times,
University of life sharpens the mind,
If Spin was sharp he wouldn't be wasting his time on here.
I've done my bit accumalating experience which is why I call myself banal brian.
Been there got the t shirt.
The only T shirt yourself & Spin seem to be collecting is how many posts you can notch up on here.
Very sad,
Goodnight

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jul 2012 20:42:38 BDT
A clockmaker...ah yes...the Swiss....the cuckoo clock...night, night Brian...

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jul 2012 21:11:49 BDT
Spin,

Do unto others as they would do to you. THe law of the land/society dictates morality in the sense that if you disobey the laws you get punished. So it would be wise and prudent to stay within the laws of society because if everyone didn't bother society would break down (as is often seen) resulting in widespread rioting/civil war etc. My morality - in essence try not to upset others, defend yourself against agression and generally be pleasant. Not bad for an atheist.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jul 2012 15:30:45 BDT
Because by being moral we can make people's experiences better, something we naturally want for ourselves and value in others.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jul 2012 15:53:41 BDT
G. Heron says:
Banal Brian

"University of life sharpens the mind,"

Yes it does but the graduation ceremony is a real pain.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jul 2012 15:56:28 BDT
G. Heron says:
Spin

We can choose to act in ways that increase the suffering or in ways that decrease the suffering in the world. I believe our morality is derived from out evolution as a social species and is re-enforced by our ability to empathize with other people and indeed other creatures.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jul 2012 16:04:17 BDT
I think it's interesting to seperate the origin of morality, individuals with senses of fairness, revenge and feeligns of guilt at breaking the social contract having a survival advantage, and the future of morality.

In the development of morality the number 1 goal was reproductive success of the individual, in the future of morality is about suffering and its limitation. The two may cohere but it's not a dead cert.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jul 2012 21:29:06 BDT
Perhaps your ideas of God and religion need revision. That may then answer your question.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jul 2012 21:35:19 BDT
Spin says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jul 2012 21:39:49 BDT
Spin says:
Rev: Why do unto others as they do unto you? Because of some reward, be it religious or social? Surely the promise of reward is hardly a valid basis for being moral. One should be moral not for reward but because it is right.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jul 2012 21:49:19 BDT
"If you love me keep my commandments" "many will go the first mile, but few will go the second",
We do what is right out of love. like a bride and bridegroom - Jesus and his church

first mile duty, second mile love.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jul 2012 21:56:23 BDT
Spin says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jul 2012 21:58:35 BDT
"If you love me keep my commandments" "many will go the first mile, but few will go the second",
We do what is right out of love. like a bride and bridegroom - Jesus and his church

first mile duty, second mile love.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jul 2012 22:18:56 BDT
Only the fruit of the spirit is acceptable to God, so an atheist has no fruit (morals) in the eyes of the father,

love of the bridegroom produces that fruit. we are the branches and Jesus is the vine, our righteous fruit is dictated by the sap (spirit) of the vine (Jesus) and our unrighteous fruit is dictated by ourselves when out of fellowship (sharing) with the spirit.

no act no matter how good it appears to us is acceptable to God unless it is produced from the tree of life which is in our mist having returned to us from when Adam and Eve were separated from it.
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