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Initial post: 11 Feb 2013 14:35:32 GMT
Are they just anti-christian? It seems to me that a significant proportion of atheists (speaking only from personal experience rather than having a statistical source) commonly rail against Christianity in general, and against the perceived hypocrisy/ perceived lack of questioning of Christians in particular whilst ignoring dozens of other faiths and beliefs. Yes there may be the odd foray into Islam or Judaism but it seems pretty much every other religion/faith/belief gets off unscathed?

Is this simply because of familiarity with Christianity in the West; or have the (some would say) un-christian actions and teachings ("you are going to hell because you don't believe what I do") of the organised church and its ministers etc. over the years, brought an anti-christian sentiment to the fore, and almost by default produced "atheists" who in reality have a larger percentage of anti-christian/anti-abrahamic about them than pure atheism?

Posted on 11 Feb 2013 14:48:38 GMT
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I would say it's most likely familiarity with Christianity, also being an Athiest isn't about being anti-anything. It's just a simple lack of belief in Gods or Dieties. That's it, there are no other incliniations or mandatory thoughts to being an Athiest

As for people who are "anti-christian"/"anti-abrahamic" that's solely their own prerogative and not a characteristic of being an Athiest

In reply to an earlier post on 11 Feb 2013 15:15:20 GMT
G. Heron says:
Midge Noon

I think that you will find that the vast majority of atheists are 'real' atheists. The concentration on Christianity is, I would suggest, because it is not only the the dominant religion of country but is actually the state religion.

In reply to an earlier post on 11 Feb 2013 17:08:24 GMT
Obelix says:
"Are they just anti-christian? "

A-theist means 'without god'. That applies to all the gods - Osiris, Isis, Odin, whichever. That might seem self-explanatory.

"It seems to me that a significant proportion of atheists (speaking only from personal experience rather than having a statistical source) commonly rail against Christianity "

Because they're more likely to have been raised in said faith; and one type of Christianity is, in case you didn't notice, the state religion of GB.

"Yes there may be the odd foray into Islam or Judaism but it seems pretty much every other religion/faith/belief gets off unscathed? "

Not really many Zoroastrians etc. to engage, so far as I can see.

In reply to an earlier post on 11 Feb 2013 17:08:55 GMT
You don't have to be an atheist to be anti-Christian.

"pure atheism? "

Whats that then? I don't believe in gods. Full stop. Because theres no evidence for them. That's ALL gods by the way. I've yet to meet an atheist who doesn't believe there is a Christian god but who believes others might exist.
Oh wait a minute. You wouldn't call them an atheist. You would call them a Jew/Muslim/pagan/Buddhist/Sikh/Hindu/etc. All of those are atheist with respect to a Christian god but aren't "pure atheists".

In reply to an earlier post on 11 Feb 2013 21:57:18 GMT
Hi Ryan,
"Because they're more likely to have been raised in said faith; and one type of Christianity is, in case you didn't notice, the state religion of GB"

Yes I did notice that, hence part of my question being does that have a causal effect terms of Atheist outlook? Whan I worked in Nepal and Thailand and had this sort of discussion, Atheists there I spoke to couldn't possibly care less that some of those around them worshipped an invisible entity/energy/whatever. They just let them get on with it, apparently without the need to "engage" as you put it.

When I have looked at online forums on Buddhism, Sikhism, Taoism etc. there doesn't seem to be an Atheist presence that I have seen arguing the toss so to speak. Whereas on Christian forums the opposite seems to be true?

Posted on 11 Feb 2013 22:06:41 GMT
Midge Noon,

"When I have looked at online forums on Buddhism, Sikhism, Taoism etc. there doesn't seem to be an Atheist presence that I have seen arguing the toss so to speak."

Yes because they don't constantly tell unbelievers that they will burn in hell for eternity, that science is wrong, that they are evil, etc etc. Christianity brings its own criticism because it is so certain it is right and everyone else is wrong. It gets what it asks for.

Posted on 11 Feb 2013 22:18:40 GMT
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Posted on 11 Feb 2013 22:27:42 GMT
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Posted on 11 Feb 2013 22:52:13 GMT
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Obelix says:
In fairness, Midge, since you gloss over the whole 'state religion' point, your comparison to Nepal is of limited value. Most posters here are Britons, raised in Britain, and Christianity is its state religion.

One might have thought this truth too self-evident to be ignored as casually as you have.

Posted on 11 Feb 2013 23:16:14 GMT
Last edited by the author on 11 Feb 2013 23:28:20 GMT
Glossing over nothing Ryan. Asking straightforward questions and not really getting straightforward answers, as there seems to be some defensiveness here not really conducive to an open discussion? I don't feel the need to poke people of faith with pointy sticks just because I disagree with them. I was wondering why others do, and hoping to get some answers here to help me understand. Clearly not.

"You missed a pint"

I never miss a pint Ryan ;)

I think even a "Sun journalist" might have spotted that typo?

Posted on 11 Feb 2013 23:24:03 GMT
Oh dear Ryan,

You have edited your previous post to such an extent that the latter half of my following post now makes little sense to anyone apart from me and you? I do appreciate you taking out the mild abuse though :) Even a cabbage has a heart!

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Feb 2013 08:25:44 GMT
K. Hoyles says:
'.... Atheists there I spoke to couldn't possibly care less that some of those around them worshipped an invisible entity/energy/whatever. They just let them get on with it, apparently without the need to "engage" as you put it.'

I don't 'engage' my religious sister or catholic friends in conversation about their beliefs either, but this is a discussion site, and both religious and atheist engage in discussion through choice.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Feb 2013 10:12:59 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 12 Feb 2013 10:35:54 GMT
Bellatori says:
You rail against Ryan and in doing so you indulge in the same behaviour that you despise him for. Did you not see the irony in what you had written?

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Feb 2013 11:08:03 GMT
C. A. Small says:
Bellatori I have Winker misprint Price on ignore- I commend everyone to do the same.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Feb 2013 11:30:28 GMT
Obelix says:
"You have edited your previous post to such an extent "

The kind of person who is ever 100% satisfied with what they've just written usually has no care for prose or its construction. Fussing over small details, clarifying and amplifying is our stock in trade.

"Asking straightforward questions and not really getting straightforward answers, as there seems to be some defensiveness here not really conducive to an open discussion? "

Meaning, you got an answer you didn't like and failed to plug the hole it exposed in your argument.

And you are still glossing over the topic. Christianity, the last time I looked, wasn't the state religion of Nepal. It is here, hence the extra coverage. As I have said before, this isn't a particularly difficult concept to grasp.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Feb 2013 11:32:28 GMT
Dan Fante says:
"it gives the rest of us entertainment"
Unlike yourself

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Feb 2013 12:12:39 GMT
TomC says:
Mr Price,

Can you point me to a single post of yours which does not consist of denigration and abuse of another poster? I would genuinely like to know.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Feb 2013 12:35:16 GMT
DB says:
Midge

I think that you will find that most atheists on this site are not really 'atheists'. They are 'opposers of religion' who hide behind the name atheist so that their own beliefs cannot be questioned or defined, whilst they peddle their anti -religious propaganda.
Scratch the surface and you will find that their actual knowledge of religion is limited to anything that they can find in order to discredit it.
They profess to be using 'reason' and 'intellect' in their argument, when in fact all they use is bias and
prejudice.
The use of 'reason', would involve looking at what is good as well as what is perceived as bad in making a judgement. This is rarely done on this site. The conclusion is not 'reasoned'.
The conclusion can only be that 'unreasoned' bias and prejudice is what forms the views of many atheists when they talk about religion on here.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Feb 2013 12:39:24 GMT
AJ Murray says:
Diane,

Can you provide examples of each please?

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Feb 2013 12:40:45 GMT
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Drew Jones says:
"Scratch the surface and you will find that their actual knowledge of religion is limited to anything that they can find in order to discredit it."
So you acknowledge that others know things that can discredit religion. You don't need to know much more if that's the case.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Feb 2013 12:44:19 GMT
Last edited by the author on 12 Feb 2013 12:44:56 GMT
Dan Fante says:
I think you'd be better off challenging any individuals who you feel are like this when they make posts that demonstrate what you claim. By making a sweeping generalisation without really backing it up I think you're demonstrating the bias and lack of reason / knowledge which you claim (unnamed) others are guilty of.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Feb 2013 12:54:41 GMT
DB says:
AJ
This one took me 10 seconds.

"Religion is all about power. Power over the ignorant and feeble minded.

Turn up on Sunday, chant dogma until your mind melts, perform allegedly cannibalistic acts, let the priest fiddle with the choirboys, then off home for smugness , tea and toast."

I could make a list, but that would be boring.
In order to refute my claim of 'unreasonableness', perhaps you could site a post where the atheist gives equal reference to the good things that religion does.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Feb 2013 12:56:24 GMT
C. A. Small says:
Db- most atheists on here have a far better grasp of religion than the theists. You personally run and hide every time you get asked a question you cannot answer dogmatically.

One you repeatedly ran away from was why Lourdes got flooded and the pilgrims needed rescuing.
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