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Apologies to religion forum posters, by Lela


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Initial post: 11 Jan 2013 21:36:59 GMT
Lela says:
Hello everyone and Happy New Year !

I had promised to myself not to write anymore in these forums, but here I am again hoping it will be the last post and I will be able to control the temptation of posting next time...

Differently from my other posts, this is not a topic to start a debate, but rather to send a friendly and public apology to those forum posters whose opinions I might have unintentionally offended, or feelings hurt by nasty comments from my side.

The truth is that I have started an "intensive journey" of exploring the Truth of our existence, where I had to turn my own personal/herited opinions upside down and confront them to the extreme, and sometimes experimenting with the human psychology of denial and acceptance of ideas, by lending your minds and observing...

I learned so much from every single one of you...

Although I learned a lot from this « experiment », the only thing I regret is forgeting sometimes that it was not a computer debate but there was a person with feelings on the other side of the screen. So I sincerely apologise for not being nice some time, or many times...

The journey to Truth is a never ending one, but to my biggest surprise, the search for the truths of our existence, has brought a change in my life that I never thought possible.

From a meat lover all my life, I became the vegetarian who feels so sensitive to watching my family eat meat. I started to realise that the excellent taste of meat does not justify taking life, and that the many miles between my plate and the slaughter house does not make me less involved.

As if the search for the Truth of our existence, led me to extend my circle of compassion to all living things...

Who knows what the future will hold !

I wish you all a Happy New Year 2013 !

Posted on 11 Jan 2013 22:51:43 GMT
gille liath says:
Bye then.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jan 2013 02:33:23 GMT
Last edited by the author on 12 Jan 2013 02:38:15 GMT
light says:
Hi Lela,

I don't know if you will be here long enough to read this, but I wish you all the best on your journey. You are taking a step in the right direction.

I'm on a journey just like you and there are many ups and downs along the way. Never give up and don't forget to ask God or the Universe, which ever one you are acquainted with, for help.

I'm going to see if I can find an inspirational parable for you, be right back.

Ok that didn't take long, here is one of my favorite stories, it has been told in slightly varying styles:

The Star Fish Story

'It made a difference for that one'

"Once upon a time, there was a wise man who used to go to the ocean to do his writing. He had a habit of walking on the beach before he began his work.

One day, as he was walking along the shore, he looked down the beach and saw a human figure moving like a dancer. He smiled to himself at the thought of someone who would dance to the day, and so, he walked faster to catch up.

As he got closer, he noticed that the figure was that of a young man, and that what he was doing was not dancing at all. The young man was reaching down to the shore, picking up small objects, and throwing them into the ocean.

He came closer still and called out 'Good morning! May I ask what it is that you are doing?'

The young man paused, looked up, and replied 'Throwing starfish into the ocean.'

'I must ask, then, why are you throwing starfish into the ocean?' asked the somewhat startled wise man.

To this, the young man replied, 'The sun is up and the tide is going out. If I don't throw them in, they'll die.'

Upon hearing this, the wise man commented, 'But, young man, do you not realize that there are miles and miles of beach and there are starfish all along every mile? You can't possibly make a difference!'

At this, the young man bent down, picked up yet another starfish, and threw it into the ocean. As it met the water, he said, 'It made a difference for that one.'

So, can I encourage you to take the time to do something that will make difference to someone else's life ... and it doesn't have to be much and they don't need to know. Just take a moment, do something special ... the universe will know and that's enough."

take care light

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jan 2013 02:39:53 GMT
light says:
jeez gille,

I thought that you might have had something a little more encouraging to say.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jan 2013 11:38:19 GMT
C. A. Small says:
Hi Lela, as a veggie of 32 years now, welcome to the world of compassion.

The actor Martin Shaw ( he of the dodgy perm in "the proffessionals") put it rather well many years ago- " I couldn't think of a single reason to eat meat apart from the taste- and that didn't seem to be a good reason, so I became a vegetarian".

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jan 2013 11:55:08 GMT
DB says:
C.A
Do you avoid all animal products, or just meat?

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jan 2013 12:01:08 GMT
C. A. Small says:
No meat , fish, poulltry, I do eat free range eggs supplied by my neighbour.

Currently awaiting homemade broccoli, sprout and coriander homemade soup when my lovely wife finishes cooking it!

I did eat bread but have stopped since I heard they use chicken feathers in the making of it. I am not sure how or why , but some prat obviously thought it was necessary.

It is incredibly hard to say honestly that I never have any animal products because it is amazing what they put into processed food. One burger chain apparently uses pig fat to thicken their thick shake!

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jan 2013 12:09:53 GMT
DB says:
My daughter has been a vegetarian since the age of 13. I sympathise with the difficulty in avoiding animal products. We recently found that they are used in some tyre production, and are widespread in alcohol production too.My daughter is now tea total.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jan 2013 12:11:57 GMT
C. A. Small says:
But feathers in bread production???

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jan 2013 12:13:03 GMT
DB says:
Yukkk!
How do they justify that one?

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jan 2013 12:17:54 GMT
C. A. Small says:
No idea- probably something to do with making it last longer. Supermarket food control is getting ridiculous. A farmer friend of mine ploughed back in acres of delicious spring onions which were the "wrong size" i.e. too big. We had loads and they were delicious. But the big boys like a certain size and shape. So very wrong.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jan 2013 12:25:35 GMT
DB says:
Agreed.
They have too much power and influence.
At the risk of sounding like my mum, food doesn't taste as good as it used to do anymore. And, it is hard to find any food that hasn't been in contact at some stage with plastics and chemicals.

Posted on 12 Jan 2013 12:32:43 GMT
DB says:
Off to mums for lunch now. My dad had butchers shops before he retired so we both eat meat. My mum and daughter have vegetarian food and the 2 kids have fish fingers. The kitchen is always so full of food it looks like a restaurant lol.

Enjoy your soup it sounds delicious

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jan 2013 13:25:26 GMT
K. Hoyles says:
Hi Clive - I stopped buying bread when I found out the amount of salt, fats of dubious origin, and salt they managed to cram into it. Commercial bakeries don't allow the yeast to ferment properly either, so it ends up fermenting in the stomach, causing allergies and other problems. I now make it myself, so easy and enjoyable.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jan 2013 14:44:49 GMT
C. A. Small says:
The problem with home made bread is it is just too delicious!

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jan 2013 15:09:35 GMT
Last edited by the author on 12 Jan 2013 15:15:17 GMT
So if you were out there with a Bow and arrows hunting the prey yourself would this be acceptable?

Tell me, if the whole world were to suddenly turn vegetarian, would you condone the mass culling of all livestock? Or do you suggest letting them live wild somewhere to fend for themselves and die of starvation and disease?

I don't remember any other posts from you.

But I have to say you sound from this one post to be too far up your own backside to learn anything about the nature of our existence.

Ta ta

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jan 2013 16:05:56 GMT
K. Hoyles says:
My son was bought up in the countryside, at the age of 10 he was allowed to go out and shoot rabbits with his longbow. At 22 he prefers to eat wild meat, and knows how to skin, prepare and cook pheasant, partridge etc. I'm reassured that he will never go hungry!

Posted on 13 Jan 2013 08:52:37 GMT
C. A. Small says:
Hi Karen- if I were to be starving in a post apocalyptic world, I would eat meat as a protein- it would not bother me if the protein was rabbit or human. I have a family of partridges that live somewhere on my land, and we get pheasants wandering through, and plenty of bunnies. I get huge pleasure from watching them, as does my wife and nephews and nieces. The thought of killing them is abhorrent, though I have shot rabbits when they have miximatosis to stop there suffering.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jan 2013 09:09:53 GMT
Bellatori says:
That is terribly misleading. The chemical, both made by direct synthesis and by extraction from natural products is called L-Cysteine. To say chicken feathers are added to bread is no more sensible than saying they put rock in your bread when you actually mean salt which is extracted from it.

This is from NATURALNEWS.COM
If you read the ingredients label on a loaf of bread, you will usually find an ingredient listed there as L-cysteine. This is a non-essential amino acid added to many baked goods as a dough conditioner in order to speed industrial processing. It's usually not added directly to flour intended for home use, but you'll find it throughout commercial breads such as pizza dough, bread rolls and pastries.

While some L-cysteine is directly synthesized in laboratories, most of it is extracted from a cheap and abundant natural protein source: human hair. The hair is dissolved in acid and L-cysteine is isolated through a chemical process, then packaged and shipped off to commercial bread producers. Besides human hair, other sources of L-cysteine include chicken feathers, duck feathers, cow horns and petroleum byproducts.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jan 2013 09:46:44 GMT
C. A. Small says:
Not a necessary ingredient, and not what I want in my food. If you are happy to eat this carp then no-one is stopping you.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jan 2013 12:16:53 GMT
K. Hoyles says:
Hi Clive - yes I also love watching the bunnies, deer etc, I'm not advocating everyone should go out and shoot them! But when it comes to food I made a choice not to get too sentimental, instead I make sure, if possible, to be more concerned about the welfare of animals. After all, if we don't shoot or eat rabbits, they will breed like, er, rabbits!

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jan 2013 15:58:25 GMT
C. A. Small says:
If only rabbits could breed and not do any harm to the environment like , er, people?

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jan 2013 16:23:12 GMT
What makes you think you are right Can Clark?

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jan 2013 21:09:40 GMT
K. Hoyles says:
I blame the bunnies.

Posted on 13 Jan 2013 21:20:15 GMT
Spin says:
For a "farewell" thread, it is getting quite involved..
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