"'can you prove you never received guidance from people as you grew up and that you learnt everything by yourself ? I think you can't.'
This has nothing to do with anything I've just said. ie, 'Most people are able to think for themselves, what is right and what is wrong, without referring to the scriptures every five minutes.' You said it yourself - 'Knowledge and wisdom is given by parents and other people through books and speech and from experience.' We have to learn from our mistakes, and are continually expanding our knowledge. But most importantly, we need to be able to think for ourselves. Angels, saints, gods - their words have passed down from the minds of men who lived in a superstitious age and who sacrificed their own children, burned witches, stoned their own people to death for working on the sabbath, worshipped many gods etc. We've moved on a bit since then, and if we have to continually revise and cherry pick the relevant passages from a book to suit the age in which we live, in order to keep the idea of an ancient religion alive, then that religion will, eventually, become defunct, like all the other religions before it.
'I choose Christianity after comparing it to non religious education.' Good for you. I just hope, for your sake, you have a plentiful supply of mothballs."
I'm too tired to examine that and put all of my reasoning to it.
To conclude I chose Christianity as right and not wrong and that shows the power of my will and choosing for myself what to use for knowledge and wisdom of some things.
Have you not seen the information about parts of the bible being false in testing people ?
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'can you prove you never received guidance from people as you grew up and that you learnt everything by yourself ? I think you can't.'
This has nothing to do with anything I've just said. ie, 'Most people are able to think for themselves, what is right and what is wrong, without referring to the scriptures every five minutes.' You said it yourself - 'Knowledge and wisdom is given by parents and other people through books and speech and from experience.' We have to learn from our mistakes, and are continually expanding our knowledge. But most importantly, we need to be able to think for ourselves. Angels, saints, gods - their words have passed down from the minds of men who lived in a superstitious age and who sacrificed their own children, burned witches, stoned their own people to death for working on the sabbath, worshipped many gods etc. We've moved on a bit since then, and if we have to continually revise and cherry pick the relevant passages from a book to suit the age in which we live, in order to keep the idea of an ancient religion alive, then that religion will, eventually, become defunct, like all the other religions before it.
'I choose Christianity after comparing it to non religious education.' Good for you. I just hope, for your sake, you have a plentiful supply of mothballs.
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'If a person has the right will then their thoughts are worth something.
People may think in ignorance and with the right will.'
"So - ignorant people are worth something because they have the right will??? Can you see that your own logic lets you down TKg?"
It doesn't let me down, I have worked to make use of worthless thoughts of people for people of value.
"Most people are able to think for themselves, what is right and what is wrong, without referring to the scriptures every five minutes."
Knowledge and wisdom is given by parents and other people through books and speech and from experience.
I choose Christianity after comparing it to non religious education.
"I've brought up my daughter who has autism, I look after my mother who has alzheimers, I lead a pretty decent life, and I've never been religious. I've never needed to look up in an ancient book how I'm supposed to think and behave, it seems to happen naturally."
can you prove you never received guidance from people as you grew up and that you learnt everything by yourself ? I think you can't.
"Why do you need everything written down for you in order to be able to function?"
Words are part of life in speech, thought and documents. Some thoughts are worth recording and looking at and there are enough of them to think about for years.
I don't need to be entertained by others and I have offered my thoughts to other people.
"Have you got any original thoughts of your own? Rant over."
I choose to agree with whatever I think is of reason.
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'If a person has the right will then their thoughts are worth something.
People may think in ignorance and with the right will.'
So - ignorant people are worth something because they have the right will??? Can you see that your own logic lets you down TKg?
Most people are able to think for themselves, what is right and what is wrong, without referring to the scriptures every five minutes. I've brought up my daughter who has autism, I look after my mother who has alzheimers, I lead a pretty decent life, and I've never been religious. I've never needed to look up in an ancient book how I'm supposed to think and behave, it seems to happen naturally. Why do you need everything written down for you in order to be able to function? Have you got any original thoughts of your own? Rant over.
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I copied "Chapter IV.-Ignorance the Mother of Evils." from my blog.
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'And therefore we must labour for a little, that we may search out the presumptions of ignorance, and cut them off by means of knowledge, especially in those who are preoccupied with some erroneous opinions, by means of which ignorance is the more firmly rooted in them, as under the appearance of a certain kind of knowledge; for nothing is worse than for one to believe that he knows what he is ignorant of, and to maintain that to be true which is false. This is as if a drunk man should think himself to be sober, and should act indeed in all respects as a drunk man, and yet think himself to be sober, and should wish to be called so by others. Thus, therefore, are those also who do not know what is true, yet hold some appearance of knowledge, and do many evil things as if they were good, and hasten destruction as if it were to salvation.'
Quite right. You posted this and it relates to you also, TKg, so I assume you have read it and understood its meaning."
I think it shows the value of Christian thoughts.
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'And therefore we must labour for a little, that we may search out the presumptions of ignorance, and cut them off by means of knowledge, especially in those who are preoccupied with some erroneous opinions, by means of which ignorance is the more firmly rooted in them, as under the appearance of a certain kind of knowledge; for nothing is worse than for one to believe that he knows what he is ignorant of, and to maintain that to be true which is false. This is as if a drunk man should think himself to be sober, and should act indeed in all respects as a drunk man, and yet think himself to be sober, and should wish to be called so by others. Thus, therefore, are those also who do not know what is true, yet hold some appearance of knowledge, and do many evil things as if they were good, and hasten destruction as if it were to salvation.'
Quite right. You posted this and it relates to you also, TKg, so I assume you have read it and understood its meaning.
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The Koran talks about Gold Ornaments. I think the message is that envy is also an evil thing. However our system does tend to favour acquisitive men and is less favourable to women, inevitably."
Partly the sensible choice is eternal life and partly in obeying God a person must choose to use their wealth to make everyone benefit including themselves.
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The Koran talks about Gold Ornaments. I think the message is that envy is also an evil thing. However our system does tend to favour acquisitive men and is less favourable to women, inevitably.
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"From all these things, therefore, it is concluded that all evil springs from ignorance; and ignorance herself, the mother of all evils, is sprung from carelessness and sloth, and is nourished, and increased, and rooted in the senses of men by negligence; and if any one teach that she is to be put to flight, she is with difficulty and indignantly torn away, as from an ancient and hereditary abode. And therefore we must labour for a little, that we may search out the presumptions of ignorance, and cut them off by means of knowledge, especially in those who are preoccupied with some erroneous opinions, by means of which ignorance is the more firmly rooted in them, as under the appearance of a certain kind of knowledge; for nothing is worse than for one to believe that he knows what he is ignorant of, and to maintain that to be true which is false. This is as if a drunk man should think himself to be sober, and should act indeed in all respects as a drunk man, and yet think himself to be sober, and should wish to be called so by others. Thus, therefore, are those also who do not know what is true, yet hold some appearance of knowledge, and do many evil things as if they were good, and hasten destruction as if it were to salvation.
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"I am not claiming something like a god exists so I don't need to prove anything. Clearly nothing I have written has sunk in even slightly. What makes your god, any more plausible than the thousands of others invented by man?"
You are foolish person, its a waste of my time discussing with you.
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I am not claiming something like a god exists so I don't need to prove anything. Clearly nothing I have written has sunk in even slightly. What makes your god, any more plausible than the thousands of others invented by man?
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